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23. No, what I would prefer is that you offer irrefutable proof.....

Reply to Major Nikon (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:55 PM

Dec 2015

that all current and future GMO's are completely safe.

then I would back off on labeling.

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Consumer Reports: Consumers Want Mandatory Labeling for GMO Foods [View all] Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 OP

I find it hilarious that any rational person could oppose GMO labeling. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #1

You mean like the AMA and pretty much all major scientific societies on earth? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #2

what is the harm in labeling? virtualobserver Dec 2015 #6

Nothing at all Major Nikon Dec 2015 #7

GMO labeling misleads no-one. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #8

Neither does it provide useful information Major Nikon Dec 2015 #9

I'm worried about what it does do, not what it doesn't do....... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #10

So what do you think the implications are that wouldn't be otherwise? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #13

You are asking me to imagine the implications.... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #18

No any current one will do Major Nikon Dec 2015 #20

No, what I would prefer is that you offer irrefutable proof..... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #23

Which simply proves you have a double standard for GMO Major Nikon Dec 2015 #39

no double standard........I just want it labeled..... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #42

I want food that's fertilized with cow shit to be labeled Major Nikon Dec 2015 #45

Let's print up some labels virtualobserver Dec 2015 #47

Interestingly... HuckleB Dec 2015 #55

You refuse to listen to my words virtualobserver Dec 2015 #63

You have been given a massive amount of information, and this response ignores all of it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #65

you don't think that I have the right to information about my food/ virtualobserver Dec 2015 #75

You have information about your food. HuckleB Dec 2015 #79

I haven't said anything bad about GMO's.....I just want them labeled virtualobserver Dec 2015 #89

The conversation shows the reality. HuckleB Dec 2015 #95

This is some super newspeak shit. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #106

you haven't convinced me because you make no argument whatsoever for denying me that information virtualobserver Dec 2015 #121

Yes. tecelote Dec 2015 #153

Why do you shill for GMO? Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #104

this �Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act,� is the most amazing part virtualobserver Dec 2015 #130

True safety is in knowing the corps will keep you safe so you are free to stop seeking non-safety. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #139

... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #157

Why DO you shill for GMO? roody Dec 2015 #170

... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #174

Can you name the ways a GE seed is more dangerous than a seed developed in another manner? HuckleB Dec 2015 #14

your question is beside the point virtualobserver Dec 2015 #15

So, you can't answer my question. HuckleB Dec 2015 #16

If science was your interest, you wouldn't mind GMO labeling. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #21

The advocacy for GMO labeling is also about money, not science. HuckleB Dec 2015 #22

corporate advocacy for GMO labeling is also about money.... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #24

I've never said anyone can prove all future GMOs are safe. HuckleB Dec 2015 #25

Scienctists have modified almost the entire food chain, GMO or not. Nailzberg Dec 2015 #26

I disagree......I want all of the info that I can get. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #28

If that's true, can you link us to your advocacy for labels on Mutation Bred Organisms? HuckleB Dec 2015 #29

I'll let you take care of that virtualobserver Dec 2015 #30

So you don't really "want all of the info that I can get." HuckleB Dec 2015 #31

I want all of the info that I can get about GMO's virtualobserver Dec 2015 #32

Yeah, it's an "agenda." Archae Dec 2015 #33

fighting against accurate labeling would be hysterical if it wasn't so sad. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #34

If it's "just a label," then why are so adamant about it? HuckleB Dec 2015 #36

I think most of these folks get paid to protest labeling. tecelote Dec 2015 #154

The pro GMO-labeling crowd is made up of con-artists and CT'ers cpwm17 Dec 2015 #184

You just showed us that you don't want accurate labeling. HuckleB Dec 2015 #35

Nah, you want partial information. You want GMO's labelled, but not other breeding methods. Nailzberg Dec 2015 #196

no, I'd be happy if that was labeled too virtualobserver Dec 2015 #197

Maybe they're afraid Monsanto will lose profits? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #144

exactly.....it is quite clear virtualobserver Dec 2015 #145

I hope they won't succeed. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #147

Oh, only a few major scientific bodies. Only a few. HuckleB Dec 2015 #12

Where are your links for those claims? n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #44

In the post right above yours Major Nikon Dec 2015 #46

The AMA also supports the FDA doing premarket safety testing of individual GMO's, pnwmom Dec 2015 #51

The post to which to you responded... HuckleB Dec 2015 #54

The AMA is a "legit scientific community" that is calling for premarket safety testing. pnwmom Dec 2015 #57

And it's getting what it requests. Why don't you care about that? HuckleB Dec 2015 #61

It isn't. We don't have the required premarket safety testing that the AMA calls for. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #64

Prove it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #68

Why are you so afraid of labeling? Why do you have such a need to dictate your opinions to others? pnwmom Dec 2015 #71

I could care less, if organic companies were miraculously honest about the reality. HuckleB Dec 2015 #73

Why do you always demand proof of everything, but refuse to provide your own? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #156

I'm just asking for labeling and transparency, not proof. pnwmom Dec 2015 #158

No, you are floating an assertion you have yet to support Major Nikon Dec 2015 #159

I have backed up this assertion many times, from many sources. Here I go again: pnwmom Dec 2015 #160

Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2015 #163

There is no REQUIRED GMO testing. That is what I asserted and what I proved. pnwmom Dec 2015 #169

So you're saying you would trust the exact same testing if it were mandatory Major Nikon Dec 2015 #173

I have no idea what "exact same testing" you refer to, because there is no evidence pnwmom Dec 2015 #175

Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2015 #177

Smoke and mirrors. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #178

Good enough to completely destroy your assertion Major Nikon Dec 2015 #179

You clearly have a load of skin in the game. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #181

... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #186

It is done Major Nikon Dec 2015 #155

Why would they spend the money to do safety testing when it isn't required pnwmom Dec 2015 #162

For the same reason virtually every appliance sold in the US is voluntarily sent to UL for testing Major Nikon Dec 2015 #164

How can you trace the effects of a particular GMO in the general population pnwmom Dec 2015 #166

So you really think the CDC is too fucking stupid to know where a food product came from Major Nikon Dec 2015 #167

The CDC could only ask consumers what they ate. The consumer won't know, pnwmom Dec 2015 #168

The consumer doesn't have to know Major Nikon Dec 2015 #172

How could they attribute ANY health issue to GMO's when they do no surveillance pnwmom Dec 2015 #176

I know I do. Octafish Dec 2015 #3

Labeling products as GMO would be a mistake, because nearly all food is GMO. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #4

Anti-GMO propaganda works. Archae Dec 2015 #5

The only "justification" for such labels is "We ALL Want Them!" ie... Argumentum ad Populum. HuckleB Dec 2015 #11

Uh-oh you posted "GMO" it's a Bat-Signal U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #17

If you can't support your anti-science stance, why post at all? HuckleB Dec 2015 #37

Show us your credentials. U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #38

Show us the consensus of science that supports your opinion. HuckleB Dec 2015 #40

still waiting U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #43

Still waiting for any evidence to support your anti-GMO nonsense. HuckleB Dec 2015 #48

OMG, the :rofl: smiley....well played. You won the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #50

You haven't even offered third grade level science to support your claims. HuckleB Dec 2015 #53

Are those your credentials...third grade science? U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #56

So, you can't discuss the actual science of the matter. Nice confession! HuckleB Dec 2015 #60

Au contraire, I can discuss U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #76

Well then show us. HuckleB Dec 2015 #78

My finding are from peer-reviewed journals from the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #82

Nice. You've convinced everyone, Magic works. HuckleB Dec 2015 #84

Are you paid by the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #88

I hope so. HuckleB Dec 2015 #91

Hope is so un-science like, it's almost as if you admitted U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #96

We all know the DERP is strong with you. HuckleB Dec 2015 #99

Unlike myself, you are the only one who U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #128

We? Who the hell is we? Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #113

So when you were asked to bring the science, you brought nothing. HuckleB Dec 2015 #62

What you brought was U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #77

I get it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #80

I'm glad you finally understand U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #85

Everyone else understands, too! Thanks for the confession! HuckleB Dec 2015 #87

I confess that I debunked your ridiculous U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #94

You are Debunked! HuckleB Dec 2015 #103

I repeat, you are the one who refuses to come clean and admit your U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #129

Post your credentials. They are in question. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #86

+1 Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #115

Yup, same few ones in every single GMO thread. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #70

Oh thank god. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #81

Thanks, I appreciate that. U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #125

IF GMOs are so wonderful, food producers should be proud to put it on the label. Vinca Dec 2015 #19

If MBOs (Mutation Bred Organisms) are so wonderful, then the organic food producers who sell them .. HuckleB Dec 2015 #27

I would have no problem with that label being added to foods, as necessary. All we would pnwmom Dec 2015 #58

So let's see this "education campaign." HuckleB Dec 2015 #59

It would tell people that all living beings are the subject of natural genetic changes. pnwmom Dec 2015 #67

So your campaign is fiction, and your fear mongering is BS. HuckleB Dec 2015 #69

You are the one that proposed that campaign about organic foods, not me. pnwmom Dec 2015 #72

No one even knows what campaign you're pretending to discuss. HuckleB Dec 2015 #74

Here is the PM this poster just sent me. I thought the world might enjoy seeing it. pnwmom Dec 2015 #83

I like it when people share the reality of their actions. HuckleB Dec 2015 #90

Right. It's so horrible to disagree with YOU! n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #93

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Did you write it or not? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #98

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #101

I believe I asked you a question. Can you scrape up enough character to answer it? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #110

If you can debunk my posts, do so. HuckleB Dec 2015 #114

You have no standing to make requests of me. A question has been put to you. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #119

Oh, he did all right. If there was a way to forward it to you, I would. pnwmom Dec 2015 #105

No problem at all. I'm just forcing him to show the nature of his character. He refuses to answer. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #117

He's gone. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #118

And it looks like another jury got him 4-3. nt DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #120

That's unprofessional! The bosses will be displeased. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #182

OMG!!!! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #100

Yes, I should report all the ugly PMs I've received form anti-GMO scumbags! HuckleB Dec 2015 #108

I wasn't talking to you. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #109

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This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #116

that is rich Kali Dec 2015 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #123

reading comprehension - you fail (again) Kali Dec 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #126

No one asked you anything, you keep replying to me and attacking me out of the blue. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #127

I was called to jury duty, dear Kali Dec 2015 #133

Really?? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #136

because I haven't done that Kali Dec 2015 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #141

HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!! Kali Dec 2015 #142

Yup. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #143

I appreciate your effort to correct your mistake. It can happen to anyone. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #134

no problem! Kali Dec 2015 #137

I was the lucky recipient of that charm as well. See post #38 U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #135

I blocked his email earlier. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #138

Bingo! Duppers Dec 2015 #111

A lot of us out here live on a limited budgets. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #41

I can, and did, afford the organic, anti-gmo con for years. HuckleB Dec 2015 #49

You hit the nail right on the head as to the real reason. Archae Dec 2015 #52

Mind-blowing suggestion for you: don't buy it if you don't like it. You're welcome. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #92

Pfft. cui bono Dec 2015 #132

GMO isn't an ingredient cpwm17 Dec 2015 #146

I know. But ingredients that are GMO are ingredients. cui bono Dec 2015 #148

Nothing is preventing those who are into the anti-GMO hype from purchasing labeled foods. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #149

Who/what is stopping you to purchase the food you want?? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #150

There is no reason for prices to go up due to labeling. *That* is scaremongering. cui bono Dec 2015 #151

Baseless scare mongering. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #152

So are ingredients produced by any other method Major Nikon Dec 2015 #187

Of course I have the right to know how it is developed when it is something I'm putting in my body cui bono Dec 2015 #188

So please explain where this right is listed in any law or regulation Major Nikon Dec 2015 #189

There are safety laws all over the place. Why should it stop at labeling? cui bono Dec 2015 #190

I'm asking where it begins Major Nikon Dec 2015 #191

That's the point! As I said earlier, we need strict labeling laws. cui bono Dec 2015 #193

You said earlier you had a right to them Major Nikon Dec 2015 #195

And 80% of Americans support mandatory labeling of any food "containing DNA" Recursion Dec 2015 #66

You're going with the paternalistic view that Americans are too stupid to understand what they want. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #102

Huge K&R!!!! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #107

The few pro GMO posters tried so hard to silence us today. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #131

Have any of the pro-labeling posts been hidden? cpwm17 Dec 2015 #194

Two things madokie Dec 2015 #161

Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes. Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #165

I'm all for labeling GMO's madokie Dec 2015 #185

Is there any law preventing makers of non-GMO... meaculpa2011 Dec 2015 #171

You can bet there will be if that's what starts happening. cui bono Dec 2015 #192

Why would any manufacturer not want to advertize the benefits of their product to the consumer? baldguy Dec 2015 #180

How dare the plebs want to know what they're eating!!!! Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #183

What consumers want doesn't mean shit of the corporations don't want it. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #198