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DisgustipatedinCA

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81. Oh thank god.

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:57 AM

Dec 2015

After having a short but nice conversation with you earlier about growing, I glanced at your post here, misread it, and thought you were ONE OF THEM. I'm glad to see that I was mistaken. I love science, love, love, love it. But I emphatically do not consider GMO foods to be a matter of settled science. Some or most of it may be fine, but I don't believe we know enough yet to say that with certainty. I'm also a little put off by this constant NRA-type haranguing a few around here engage in with respect to GMO foods. If people want labels, we want the damned labels. We don't want to be talked out of it. We don't want to be told how our opinions are stupid. We damn sure don't want to be condescended to by other board members who have decided that they know what's best for all of us and have further decided to shove it down our throats on a continuing basis. People can think whatever they'd like about GMO foods. But no one can or will ever be able to explain why the foods shouldn't be labelled if we want them to be labelled.

Anyway, I'm off to go get some Roundup for my tent.

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Consumer Reports: Consumers Want Mandatory Labeling for GMO Foods [View all] Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 OP

I find it hilarious that any rational person could oppose GMO labeling. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #1

You mean like the AMA and pretty much all major scientific societies on earth? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #2

what is the harm in labeling? virtualobserver Dec 2015 #6

Nothing at all Major Nikon Dec 2015 #7

GMO labeling misleads no-one. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #8

Neither does it provide useful information Major Nikon Dec 2015 #9

I'm worried about what it does do, not what it doesn't do....... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #10

So what do you think the implications are that wouldn't be otherwise? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #13

You are asking me to imagine the implications.... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #18

No any current one will do Major Nikon Dec 2015 #20

No, what I would prefer is that you offer irrefutable proof..... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #23

Which simply proves you have a double standard for GMO Major Nikon Dec 2015 #39

no double standard........I just want it labeled..... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #42

I want food that's fertilized with cow shit to be labeled Major Nikon Dec 2015 #45

Let's print up some labels virtualobserver Dec 2015 #47

Interestingly... HuckleB Dec 2015 #55

You refuse to listen to my words virtualobserver Dec 2015 #63

You have been given a massive amount of information, and this response ignores all of it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #65

you don't think that I have the right to information about my food/ virtualobserver Dec 2015 #75

You have information about your food. HuckleB Dec 2015 #79

I haven't said anything bad about GMO's.....I just want them labeled virtualobserver Dec 2015 #89

The conversation shows the reality. HuckleB Dec 2015 #95

This is some super newspeak shit. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #106

you haven't convinced me because you make no argument whatsoever for denying me that information virtualobserver Dec 2015 #121

Yes. tecelote Dec 2015 #153

Why do you shill for GMO? Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #104

this �Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act,� is the most amazing part virtualobserver Dec 2015 #130

True safety is in knowing the corps will keep you safe so you are free to stop seeking non-safety. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #139

... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #157

Why DO you shill for GMO? roody Dec 2015 #170

... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #174

Can you name the ways a GE seed is more dangerous than a seed developed in another manner? HuckleB Dec 2015 #14

your question is beside the point virtualobserver Dec 2015 #15

So, you can't answer my question. HuckleB Dec 2015 #16

If science was your interest, you wouldn't mind GMO labeling. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #21

The advocacy for GMO labeling is also about money, not science. HuckleB Dec 2015 #22

corporate advocacy for GMO labeling is also about money.... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #24

I've never said anyone can prove all future GMOs are safe. HuckleB Dec 2015 #25

Scienctists have modified almost the entire food chain, GMO or not. Nailzberg Dec 2015 #26

I disagree......I want all of the info that I can get. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #28

If that's true, can you link us to your advocacy for labels on Mutation Bred Organisms? HuckleB Dec 2015 #29

I'll let you take care of that virtualobserver Dec 2015 #30

So you don't really "want all of the info that I can get." HuckleB Dec 2015 #31

I want all of the info that I can get about GMO's virtualobserver Dec 2015 #32

Yeah, it's an "agenda." Archae Dec 2015 #33

fighting against accurate labeling would be hysterical if it wasn't so sad. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #34

If it's "just a label," then why are so adamant about it? HuckleB Dec 2015 #36

I think most of these folks get paid to protest labeling. tecelote Dec 2015 #154

The pro GMO-labeling crowd is made up of con-artists and CT'ers cpwm17 Dec 2015 #184

You just showed us that you don't want accurate labeling. HuckleB Dec 2015 #35

Nah, you want partial information. You want GMO's labelled, but not other breeding methods. Nailzberg Dec 2015 #196

no, I'd be happy if that was labeled too virtualobserver Dec 2015 #197

Maybe they're afraid Monsanto will lose profits? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #144

exactly.....it is quite clear virtualobserver Dec 2015 #145

I hope they won't succeed. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #147

Oh, only a few major scientific bodies. Only a few. HuckleB Dec 2015 #12

Where are your links for those claims? n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #44

In the post right above yours Major Nikon Dec 2015 #46

The AMA also supports the FDA doing premarket safety testing of individual GMO's, pnwmom Dec 2015 #51

The post to which to you responded... HuckleB Dec 2015 #54

The AMA is a "legit scientific community" that is calling for premarket safety testing. pnwmom Dec 2015 #57

And it's getting what it requests. Why don't you care about that? HuckleB Dec 2015 #61

It isn't. We don't have the required premarket safety testing that the AMA calls for. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #64

Prove it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #68

Why are you so afraid of labeling? Why do you have such a need to dictate your opinions to others? pnwmom Dec 2015 #71

I could care less, if organic companies were miraculously honest about the reality. HuckleB Dec 2015 #73

Why do you always demand proof of everything, but refuse to provide your own? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #156

I'm just asking for labeling and transparency, not proof. pnwmom Dec 2015 #158

No, you are floating an assertion you have yet to support Major Nikon Dec 2015 #159

I have backed up this assertion many times, from many sources. Here I go again: pnwmom Dec 2015 #160

Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2015 #163

There is no REQUIRED GMO testing. That is what I asserted and what I proved. pnwmom Dec 2015 #169

So you're saying you would trust the exact same testing if it were mandatory Major Nikon Dec 2015 #173

I have no idea what "exact same testing" you refer to, because there is no evidence pnwmom Dec 2015 #175

Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2015 #177

Smoke and mirrors. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #178

Good enough to completely destroy your assertion Major Nikon Dec 2015 #179

You clearly have a load of skin in the game. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #181

... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #186

It is done Major Nikon Dec 2015 #155

Why would they spend the money to do safety testing when it isn't required pnwmom Dec 2015 #162

For the same reason virtually every appliance sold in the US is voluntarily sent to UL for testing Major Nikon Dec 2015 #164

How can you trace the effects of a particular GMO in the general population pnwmom Dec 2015 #166

So you really think the CDC is too fucking stupid to know where a food product came from Major Nikon Dec 2015 #167

The CDC could only ask consumers what they ate. The consumer won't know, pnwmom Dec 2015 #168

The consumer doesn't have to know Major Nikon Dec 2015 #172

How could they attribute ANY health issue to GMO's when they do no surveillance pnwmom Dec 2015 #176

I know I do. Octafish Dec 2015 #3

Labeling products as GMO would be a mistake, because nearly all food is GMO. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #4

Anti-GMO propaganda works. Archae Dec 2015 #5

The only "justification" for such labels is "We ALL Want Them!" ie... Argumentum ad Populum. HuckleB Dec 2015 #11

Uh-oh you posted "GMO" it's a Bat-Signal U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #17

If you can't support your anti-science stance, why post at all? HuckleB Dec 2015 #37

Show us your credentials. U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #38

Show us the consensus of science that supports your opinion. HuckleB Dec 2015 #40

still waiting U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #43

Still waiting for any evidence to support your anti-GMO nonsense. HuckleB Dec 2015 #48

OMG, the :rofl: smiley....well played. You won the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #50

You haven't even offered third grade level science to support your claims. HuckleB Dec 2015 #53

Are those your credentials...third grade science? U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #56

So, you can't discuss the actual science of the matter. Nice confession! HuckleB Dec 2015 #60

Au contraire, I can discuss U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #76

Well then show us. HuckleB Dec 2015 #78

My finding are from peer-reviewed journals from the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #82

Nice. You've convinced everyone, Magic works. HuckleB Dec 2015 #84

Are you paid by the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #88

I hope so. HuckleB Dec 2015 #91

Hope is so un-science like, it's almost as if you admitted U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #96

We all know the DERP is strong with you. HuckleB Dec 2015 #99

Unlike myself, you are the only one who U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #128

We? Who the hell is we? Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #113

So when you were asked to bring the science, you brought nothing. HuckleB Dec 2015 #62

What you brought was U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #77

I get it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #80

I'm glad you finally understand U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #85

Everyone else understands, too! Thanks for the confession! HuckleB Dec 2015 #87

I confess that I debunked your ridiculous U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #94

You are Debunked! HuckleB Dec 2015 #103

I repeat, you are the one who refuses to come clean and admit your U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #129

Post your credentials. They are in question. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #86

+1 Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #115

Yup, same few ones in every single GMO thread. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #70

Oh thank god. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #81

Thanks, I appreciate that. U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #125

IF GMOs are so wonderful, food producers should be proud to put it on the label. Vinca Dec 2015 #19

If MBOs (Mutation Bred Organisms) are so wonderful, then the organic food producers who sell them .. HuckleB Dec 2015 #27

I would have no problem with that label being added to foods, as necessary. All we would pnwmom Dec 2015 #58

So let's see this "education campaign." HuckleB Dec 2015 #59

It would tell people that all living beings are the subject of natural genetic changes. pnwmom Dec 2015 #67

So your campaign is fiction, and your fear mongering is BS. HuckleB Dec 2015 #69

You are the one that proposed that campaign about organic foods, not me. pnwmom Dec 2015 #72

No one even knows what campaign you're pretending to discuss. HuckleB Dec 2015 #74

Here is the PM this poster just sent me. I thought the world might enjoy seeing it. pnwmom Dec 2015 #83

I like it when people share the reality of their actions. HuckleB Dec 2015 #90

Right. It's so horrible to disagree with YOU! n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #93

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #97

Did you write it or not? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #98

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #101

I believe I asked you a question. Can you scrape up enough character to answer it? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #110

If you can debunk my posts, do so. HuckleB Dec 2015 #114

You have no standing to make requests of me. A question has been put to you. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #119

Oh, he did all right. If there was a way to forward it to you, I would. pnwmom Dec 2015 #105

No problem at all. I'm just forcing him to show the nature of his character. He refuses to answer. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #117

He's gone. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #118

And it looks like another jury got him 4-3. nt DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #120

That's unprofessional! The bosses will be displeased. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #182

OMG!!!! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #100

Yes, I should report all the ugly PMs I've received form anti-GMO scumbags! HuckleB Dec 2015 #108

I wasn't talking to you. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #109

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #116

that is rich Kali Dec 2015 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #123

reading comprehension - you fail (again) Kali Dec 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #126

No one asked you anything, you keep replying to me and attacking me out of the blue. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #127

I was called to jury duty, dear Kali Dec 2015 #133

Really?? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #136

because I haven't done that Kali Dec 2015 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #141

HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!! Kali Dec 2015 #142

Yup. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #143

I appreciate your effort to correct your mistake. It can happen to anyone. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #134

no problem! Kali Dec 2015 #137

I was the lucky recipient of that charm as well. See post #38 U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #135

I blocked his email earlier. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #138

Bingo! Duppers Dec 2015 #111

A lot of us out here live on a limited budgets. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #41

I can, and did, afford the organic, anti-gmo con for years. HuckleB Dec 2015 #49

You hit the nail right on the head as to the real reason. Archae Dec 2015 #52

Mind-blowing suggestion for you: don't buy it if you don't like it. You're welcome. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #92

Pfft. cui bono Dec 2015 #132

GMO isn't an ingredient cpwm17 Dec 2015 #146

I know. But ingredients that are GMO are ingredients. cui bono Dec 2015 #148

Nothing is preventing those who are into the anti-GMO hype from purchasing labeled foods. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #149

Who/what is stopping you to purchase the food you want?? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #150

There is no reason for prices to go up due to labeling. *That* is scaremongering. cui bono Dec 2015 #151

Baseless scare mongering. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #152

So are ingredients produced by any other method Major Nikon Dec 2015 #187

Of course I have the right to know how it is developed when it is something I'm putting in my body cui bono Dec 2015 #188

So please explain where this right is listed in any law or regulation Major Nikon Dec 2015 #189

There are safety laws all over the place. Why should it stop at labeling? cui bono Dec 2015 #190

I'm asking where it begins Major Nikon Dec 2015 #191

That's the point! As I said earlier, we need strict labeling laws. cui bono Dec 2015 #193

You said earlier you had a right to them Major Nikon Dec 2015 #195

And 80% of Americans support mandatory labeling of any food "containing DNA" Recursion Dec 2015 #66

You're going with the paternalistic view that Americans are too stupid to understand what they want. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #102

Huge K&R!!!! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #107

The few pro GMO posters tried so hard to silence us today. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #131

Have any of the pro-labeling posts been hidden? cpwm17 Dec 2015 #194

Two things madokie Dec 2015 #161

Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes. Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #165

I'm all for labeling GMO's madokie Dec 2015 #185

Is there any law preventing makers of non-GMO... meaculpa2011 Dec 2015 #171

You can bet there will be if that's what starts happening. cui bono Dec 2015 #192

Why would any manufacturer not want to advertize the benefits of their product to the consumer? baldguy Dec 2015 #180

How dare the plebs want to know what they're eating!!!! Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #183

What consumers want doesn't mean shit of the corporations don't want it. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #198