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pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
160. I have backed up this assertion many times, from many sources. Here I go again:
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 09:09 AM
Dec 2015

From that radical group, the American Bar Association:

(P.S. Thanks for helping remind me how easy this was to find. Maybe I'll make an OP out of it soon.)

https://www.americanbar.org/content/newsletter/publications/aba_health_esource_home/aba_health_law_esource_1302_bashshur.html

FDA Oversight

The FDA regulates GM foods as part of the “coordinated framework” of federal agencies that also includes the Environmental Protection Agency (“EPA”) and the United States Department of Agriculture (“USDA”).16 This framework, which has been the subject of critical analysis and calls for redesign,17 is available online18 and contains a searchable database that covers “genetically engineered crop plants intended for food or feed that have completed all recommended or required reviews.”19 The FDA policy (unchanged since 1992)20 places responsibility on the producer or manufacturer to assure the safety of the food, explicitly relying on the producer/manufacturer to do so: “Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the producer of a new food to evaluate the safety of the food and assure that the safety requirement of section 402(a)(1) of the act is met.”21 So it is the company, not any independent scientific review, providing the research that is relied on to assert safety. FDA guidance to industry issued in 1997 covered voluntary “consultation procedures,” but still relied on the developer of the product to provide safety data.22 There is currently no regulatory scheme requiring GM food to be tested to see whether it is safe for humans to eat.23

The FDA approach can be understood as the result of having a dual mission. In addition to its mission to protect food safety, the FDA was charged with promotion of the biotech industry.24

Health Concerns Continue

However, some studies have called to question the safety of these foods. The chemical herbicides applied are poisons engineered specifically for the purpose of killing plant life, and their use is increasing.25 Crops which result from genetic modifications, resistant to the chemicals, are classified as safe with no long term studies available to provide an evidence base.26 The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (“AAEM”) released a position paper calling for a moratorium on GM foods pending independent long term studies to investigate the role of GM foods on human health.27 The authors asserted that “there is more than a casual association between GM foods and adverse health effects.”28 The paper also cited numerous animal studies showing adverse effects and posited that the biological plausibility, as defined by Hill’s criteria, in light of this data is that adverse health effects are also caused in humans.29 A 2011 study found maternal/fetal exposure associated with GM crops in Quebec.30 A well publicized study,31 sharply criticized by industry32 found that rats fed GM corn developed tumors and organ damage.33 Moreover, new questions continue to emerge.34 The nature of these concerns have manifested in repeated calls for new food labeling regulations containing GM ingredients.35 However, the FDA has expressed no interest in revisiting its policy. Moreover, a 2002 study by the U.S. General Accounting Office (since renamed the Government Accountability Office and referred to as “GAO”)) asserted that it is not feasible to assess long term effects of GMOs because it is so difficult to assemble a control group without labels on GM food.36

Labeling Controversy

The FDA position on labeling is consistent with its original 1992 policy that these foods are not materially different.37 The FDA did not believe that “the method of development of a new plant variety (including the use of new techniques including recombinant DNA techniques) is normally material information within the meaning of 21 U.S.C. 321(n) and would not usually be required to be disclosed in labeling for the food.”38 Hence, FDA’s 2001 guidance to industry logically rejects any implication of inferior quality in GM foods: “Therefore, a label statement that expresses or implies that a food is superior (e.g., safer or of higher quality) because it is not bioengineered would be misleading.”39 The FDA made it clear the policy is unchanged: “FDA is therefore reaffirming its decision to not require special labeling of all bioengineered foods.”40 The FDA did recognize public concern by stating that “While the use of bioengineering is not a material fact, many consumers are interested in the information, and some manufacturers may want to respond to this consumer desire.”41 To that end, the FDA described a comprehensive set of examples as to what would constitute unfair or misleading labeling.42 However, if the overarching FDA concern is truth in labeling, it is difficult to reconcile the statement that GM foods are not materially different when there is so much scientific disagreement.43 The FDA stated further that the “certified organic” label assures consumers that the food product is not produced via bioengineering:

The national organic standards would provide for adequate segregation of the food throughout distribution to assure that non-organic foods do not become mixed with organic foods. The agency believes that the practices and record keeping that substantiate the "certified organic" statement would be sufficient to substantiate a claim that a food was not produced using bioengineering.44

However, this sidesteps the issue of direct labeling sought by consumers and restricts marketplace choice. It is possible that a product be GM free and not be certified organic, for example. Moreover, despite the FDA statement on “adequate segregation,” there exists a real issue of organic crop contamination by GM crops.45 Well publicized cases of conventionally grown crops that were contaminated by GM corn, not approved for human consumption, highlight the difficulty of containing a GM plant strain due to the ease of contamination.46 These cases were discussed in a 2008 GAO study which specifically addressed the problem of “unauthorized releases.”47

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0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

I find it hilarious that any rational person could oppose GMO labeling. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #1
You mean like the AMA and pretty much all major scientific societies on earth? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #2
what is the harm in labeling? virtualobserver Dec 2015 #6
Nothing at all Major Nikon Dec 2015 #7
GMO labeling misleads no-one. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #8
Neither does it provide useful information Major Nikon Dec 2015 #9
I'm worried about what it does do, not what it doesn't do....... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #10
So what do you think the implications are that wouldn't be otherwise? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #13
You are asking me to imagine the implications.... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #18
No any current one will do Major Nikon Dec 2015 #20
No, what I would prefer is that you offer irrefutable proof..... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #23
Which simply proves you have a double standard for GMO Major Nikon Dec 2015 #39
no double standard........I just want it labeled..... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #42
I want food that's fertilized with cow shit to be labeled Major Nikon Dec 2015 #45
Let's print up some labels virtualobserver Dec 2015 #47
Interestingly... HuckleB Dec 2015 #55
You refuse to listen to my words virtualobserver Dec 2015 #63
You have been given a massive amount of information, and this response ignores all of it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #65
you don't think that I have the right to information about my food/ virtualobserver Dec 2015 #75
You have information about your food. HuckleB Dec 2015 #79
I haven't said anything bad about GMO's.....I just want them labeled virtualobserver Dec 2015 #89
The conversation shows the reality. HuckleB Dec 2015 #95
This is some super newspeak shit. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #106
you haven't convinced me because you make no argument whatsoever for denying me that information virtualobserver Dec 2015 #121
Yes. tecelote Dec 2015 #153
Why do you shill for GMO? Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #104
this “Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act,” is the most amazing part virtualobserver Dec 2015 #130
True safety is in knowing the corps will keep you safe so you are free to stop seeking non-safety. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #139
... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #157
Why DO you shill for GMO? roody Dec 2015 #170
... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #174
Can you name the ways a GE seed is more dangerous than a seed developed in another manner? HuckleB Dec 2015 #14
your question is beside the point virtualobserver Dec 2015 #15
So, you can't answer my question. HuckleB Dec 2015 #16
If science was your interest, you wouldn't mind GMO labeling. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #21
The advocacy for GMO labeling is also about money, not science. HuckleB Dec 2015 #22
corporate advocacy for GMO labeling is also about money.... virtualobserver Dec 2015 #24
I've never said anyone can prove all future GMOs are safe. HuckleB Dec 2015 #25
Scienctists have modified almost the entire food chain, GMO or not. Nailzberg Dec 2015 #26
I disagree......I want all of the info that I can get. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #28
If that's true, can you link us to your advocacy for labels on Mutation Bred Organisms? HuckleB Dec 2015 #29
I'll let you take care of that virtualobserver Dec 2015 #30
So you don't really "want all of the info that I can get." HuckleB Dec 2015 #31
I want all of the info that I can get about GMO's virtualobserver Dec 2015 #32
Yeah, it's an "agenda." Archae Dec 2015 #33
fighting against accurate labeling would be hysterical if it wasn't so sad. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #34
If it's "just a label," then why are so adamant about it? HuckleB Dec 2015 #36
I think most of these folks get paid to protest labeling. tecelote Dec 2015 #154
The pro GMO-labeling crowd is made up of con-artists and CT'ers cpwm17 Dec 2015 #184
You just showed us that you don't want accurate labeling. HuckleB Dec 2015 #35
Nah, you want partial information. You want GMO's labelled, but not other breeding methods. Nailzberg Dec 2015 #196
no, I'd be happy if that was labeled too virtualobserver Dec 2015 #197
Maybe they're afraid Monsanto will lose profits? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #144
exactly.....it is quite clear virtualobserver Dec 2015 #145
I hope they won't succeed. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #147
Oh, only a few major scientific bodies. Only a few. HuckleB Dec 2015 #12
Where are your links for those claims? n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #44
In the post right above yours Major Nikon Dec 2015 #46
The AMA also supports the FDA doing premarket safety testing of individual GMO's, pnwmom Dec 2015 #51
The post to which to you responded... HuckleB Dec 2015 #54
The AMA is a "legit scientific community" that is calling for premarket safety testing. pnwmom Dec 2015 #57
And it's getting what it requests. Why don't you care about that? HuckleB Dec 2015 #61
It isn't. We don't have the required premarket safety testing that the AMA calls for. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #64
Prove it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #68
Why are you so afraid of labeling? Why do you have such a need to dictate your opinions to others? pnwmom Dec 2015 #71
I could care less, if organic companies were miraculously honest about the reality. HuckleB Dec 2015 #73
Why do you always demand proof of everything, but refuse to provide your own? Major Nikon Dec 2015 #156
I'm just asking for labeling and transparency, not proof. pnwmom Dec 2015 #158
No, you are floating an assertion you have yet to support Major Nikon Dec 2015 #159
I have backed up this assertion many times, from many sources. Here I go again: pnwmom Dec 2015 #160
Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2015 #163
There is no REQUIRED GMO testing. That is what I asserted and what I proved. pnwmom Dec 2015 #169
So you're saying you would trust the exact same testing if it were mandatory Major Nikon Dec 2015 #173
I have no idea what "exact same testing" you refer to, because there is no evidence pnwmom Dec 2015 #175
Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2015 #177
Smoke and mirrors. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #178
Good enough to completely destroy your assertion Major Nikon Dec 2015 #179
You clearly have a load of skin in the game. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #181
... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #186
It is done Major Nikon Dec 2015 #155
Why would they spend the money to do safety testing when it isn't required pnwmom Dec 2015 #162
For the same reason virtually every appliance sold in the US is voluntarily sent to UL for testing Major Nikon Dec 2015 #164
How can you trace the effects of a particular GMO in the general population pnwmom Dec 2015 #166
So you really think the CDC is too fucking stupid to know where a food product came from Major Nikon Dec 2015 #167
The CDC could only ask consumers what they ate. The consumer won't know, pnwmom Dec 2015 #168
The consumer doesn't have to know Major Nikon Dec 2015 #172
How could they attribute ANY health issue to GMO's when they do no surveillance pnwmom Dec 2015 #176
I know I do. Octafish Dec 2015 #3
Labeling products as GMO would be a mistake, because nearly all food is GMO. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #4
Anti-GMO propaganda works. Archae Dec 2015 #5
The only "justification" for such labels is "We ALL Want Them!" ie... Argumentum ad Populum. HuckleB Dec 2015 #11
Uh-oh you posted "GMO" it's a Bat-Signal U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #17
If you can't support your anti-science stance, why post at all? HuckleB Dec 2015 #37
Show us your credentials. U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #38
Show us the consensus of science that supports your opinion. HuckleB Dec 2015 #40
still waiting U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #43
Still waiting for any evidence to support your anti-GMO nonsense. HuckleB Dec 2015 #48
OMG, the :rofl: smiley....well played. You won the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #50
You haven't even offered third grade level science to support your claims. HuckleB Dec 2015 #53
Are those your credentials...third grade science? U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #56
So, you can't discuss the actual science of the matter. Nice confession! HuckleB Dec 2015 #60
Au contraire, I can discuss U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #76
Well then show us. HuckleB Dec 2015 #78
My finding are from peer-reviewed journals from the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #82
Nice. You've convinced everyone, Magic works. HuckleB Dec 2015 #84
Are you paid by the U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #88
I hope so. HuckleB Dec 2015 #91
Hope is so un-science like, it's almost as if you admitted U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #96
We all know the DERP is strong with you. HuckleB Dec 2015 #99
Unlike myself, you are the only one who U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #128
We? Who the hell is we? Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #113
So when you were asked to bring the science, you brought nothing. HuckleB Dec 2015 #62
What you brought was U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #77
I get it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #80
I'm glad you finally understand U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #85
Everyone else understands, too! Thanks for the confession! HuckleB Dec 2015 #87
I confess that I debunked your ridiculous U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #94
You are Debunked! HuckleB Dec 2015 #103
I repeat, you are the one who refuses to come clean and admit your U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #129
Post your credentials. They are in question. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #86
+1 Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #115
Yup, same few ones in every single GMO thread. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #70
Oh thank god. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #81
Thanks, I appreciate that. U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #125
IF GMOs are so wonderful, food producers should be proud to put it on the label. Vinca Dec 2015 #19
If MBOs (Mutation Bred Organisms) are so wonderful, then the organic food producers who sell them .. HuckleB Dec 2015 #27
I would have no problem with that label being added to foods, as necessary. All we would pnwmom Dec 2015 #58
So let's see this "education campaign." HuckleB Dec 2015 #59
It would tell people that all living beings are the subject of natural genetic changes. pnwmom Dec 2015 #67
So your campaign is fiction, and your fear mongering is BS. HuckleB Dec 2015 #69
You are the one that proposed that campaign about organic foods, not me. pnwmom Dec 2015 #72
No one even knows what campaign you're pretending to discuss. HuckleB Dec 2015 #74
Here is the PM this poster just sent me. I thought the world might enjoy seeing it. pnwmom Dec 2015 #83
I like it when people share the reality of their actions. HuckleB Dec 2015 #90
Right. It's so horrible to disagree with YOU! n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #93
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #97
Did you write it or not? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #98
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #101
I believe I asked you a question. Can you scrape up enough character to answer it? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #110
If you can debunk my posts, do so. HuckleB Dec 2015 #114
You have no standing to make requests of me. A question has been put to you. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #119
Oh, he did all right. If there was a way to forward it to you, I would. pnwmom Dec 2015 #105
No problem at all. I'm just forcing him to show the nature of his character. He refuses to answer. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #117
He's gone. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #118
And it looks like another jury got him 4-3. nt DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #120
That's unprofessional! The bosses will be displeased. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #182
OMG!!!! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #100
Yes, I should report all the ugly PMs I've received form anti-GMO scumbags! HuckleB Dec 2015 #108
I wasn't talking to you. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #109
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #116
that is rich Kali Dec 2015 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #123
reading comprehension - you fail (again) Kali Dec 2015 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #126
No one asked you anything, you keep replying to me and attacking me out of the blue. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #127
I was called to jury duty, dear Kali Dec 2015 #133
Really?? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #136
because I haven't done that Kali Dec 2015 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Dec 2015 #141
HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!! Kali Dec 2015 #142
Yup. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #143
I appreciate your effort to correct your mistake. It can happen to anyone. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #134
no problem! Kali Dec 2015 #137
I was the lucky recipient of that charm as well. See post #38 U4ikLefty Dec 2015 #135
I blocked his email earlier. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #138
Bingo! Duppers Dec 2015 #111
A lot of us out here live on a limited budgets. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #41
I can, and did, afford the organic, anti-gmo con for years. HuckleB Dec 2015 #49
You hit the nail right on the head as to the real reason. Archae Dec 2015 #52
Mind-blowing suggestion for you: don't buy it if you don't like it. You're welcome. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #92
Pfft. cui bono Dec 2015 #132
GMO isn't an ingredient cpwm17 Dec 2015 #146
I know. But ingredients that are GMO are ingredients. cui bono Dec 2015 #148
Nothing is preventing those who are into the anti-GMO hype from purchasing labeled foods. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #149
Who/what is stopping you to purchase the food you want?? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #150
There is no reason for prices to go up due to labeling. *That* is scaremongering. cui bono Dec 2015 #151
Baseless scare mongering. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #152
So are ingredients produced by any other method Major Nikon Dec 2015 #187
Of course I have the right to know how it is developed when it is something I'm putting in my body cui bono Dec 2015 #188
So please explain where this right is listed in any law or regulation Major Nikon Dec 2015 #189
There are safety laws all over the place. Why should it stop at labeling? cui bono Dec 2015 #190
I'm asking where it begins Major Nikon Dec 2015 #191
That's the point! As I said earlier, we need strict labeling laws. cui bono Dec 2015 #193
You said earlier you had a right to them Major Nikon Dec 2015 #195
And 80% of Americans support mandatory labeling of any food "containing DNA" Recursion Dec 2015 #66
You're going with the paternalistic view that Americans are too stupid to understand what they want. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #102
Huge K&R!!!! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #107
The few pro GMO posters tried so hard to silence us today. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #131
Have any of the pro-labeling posts been hidden? cpwm17 Dec 2015 #194
Two things madokie Dec 2015 #161
Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes. Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #165
I'm all for labeling GMO's madokie Dec 2015 #185
Is there any law preventing makers of non-GMO... meaculpa2011 Dec 2015 #171
You can bet there will be if that's what starts happening. cui bono Dec 2015 #192
Why would any manufacturer not want to advertize the benefits of their product to the consumer? baldguy Dec 2015 #180
How dare the plebs want to know what they're eating!!!! Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #183
What consumers want doesn't mean shit of the corporations don't want it. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #198
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