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54. Reasonable gun laws wouldn't have prevented San Bernadino

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:05 PM

Dec 2015

Stricter background checks? The weapons might have been provided by a friend, but neither Syed Farook nor Tashfeen Malik had a criminal background, and they would've been able to purchase weapons on their own.

Another federal assault weapon ban? Not only did the one from 1994 not ban these weapons outright, but even if that could be accomplished, it wouldn't make a difference. The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 people using regular handguns.

Reasonable gun laws in Europe didn't stand in the way of Anders Brevik or the shooters in the recent massacre in Paris either.

Hence people talk about bans and confiscations.

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Waco Shoot Out Gun Confiscation Fantasies [View all] ZX86 Dec 2015 OP

Because gunners are paranoids to start with. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #1

Because any time anybody starts talking about reasonable gun laws... MohRokTah Dec 2015 #2

Bans and confiscation are apart of all regulations. ZX86 Dec 2015 #3

Once you start on about bans, you lose people. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #5

Yes. Banning them. ZX86 Dec 2015 #8

No, that's not what gun control is about for anybody but the extreme. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #10

What do you think gun control is about? ZX86 Dec 2015 #12

Universal background checks to begin with MohRokTah Dec 2015 #17

We have bans right now and they are working. ZX86 Dec 2015 #21

Now you are comparing apples to horse shoes MohRokTah Dec 2015 #30

I beg to differ. ZX86 Dec 2015 #31

Again you compare apples to horse shoes MohRokTah Dec 2015 #41

Same tired arguments. ZX86 Dec 2015 #49

RPGs have never been in widespread legal use. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #50

Moving the goal posts. ZX86 Dec 2015 #64

I'm not moving anything. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #69

"Widespread legal use" is not in the Constitution. ZX86 Dec 2015 #73

Neither is "Separation of Church and State". MohRokTah Dec 2015 #74

SCOTUS standards change on whims. ZX86 Dec 2015 #77

N o, they really don't. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #79

Bush v. Gore overturned no precedent. ZX86 Dec 2015 #89

wrong. uncle ray Dec 2015 #51

Commercially, no. Privately, yes. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #36

You are wrong, one can still purchase a fully automatic machine gun Lurks Often Dec 2015 #60

Stop being silly. ZX86 Dec 2015 #62

I enjoyed pointing out that you were wrong Lurks Often Dec 2015 #95

Some information about machine guns that I was not aware of hillbillytom Dec 2015 #96

The ten year AWB is what created demand for the AR-15. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #11

Kind of hard to avoid gun control talk ZX86 Dec 2015 #13

It's the rhetoric that is the problem. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #15

Trust me. ZX86 Dec 2015 #18

When have bans worked? Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #20

Bans work every day. ZX86 Dec 2015 #24

How did the ban on alcohol go? Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #39

Your argument doesn't make sense. ZX86 Dec 2015 #46

Banning 300+ million guns, yeah, that'll work. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #65

Snark in the face of whole sale slaughter of innocents ZX86 Dec 2015 #75

This thread is based on your OP that is full of snark. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #82

Snark at the people who claim we should do nothing ZX86 Dec 2015 #88

There are lots of things that can be done about Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #91

Oh, but if it doesn't include bans or confiscation or gun centric measures.... beevul Dec 2015 #98

Ban them all. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #52

Ok and 90% of people comply sarisataka Dec 2015 #71

Deal with them the same way all law breakers are dealt with. ZX86 Dec 2015 #81

So we increase our sarisataka Dec 2015 #85

Most people violate speed laws. ZX86 Dec 2015 #90

You said anyone with a gun sarisataka Dec 2015 #93

"You don't make laws depending on whether law breakers will follow them or not." beevul Dec 2015 #87

When a community becomes a safe haven ZX86 Dec 2015 #92

Tell me more. beevul Dec 2015 #94

I agree with you, for what it's worth Orrex Dec 2015 #43

+1 n/t X_Digger Dec 2015 #4

Reasonable gun laws wouldn't have prevented San Bernadino Matrosov Dec 2015 #54

Talk of bans and confiscations = GOP political victories. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #55

Rape laws don't prevent 100% of rape either. ZX86 Dec 2015 #68

Your post/thread in which your main goal Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #6

The reason for no reasonable gun control ZX86 Dec 2015 #7

I don't disagree that the gun lobby is powerful. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #9

In 2013? It would not have passed the House. Kang Colby Dec 2015 #23

You might be right. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #27

Nice, Minnesota is fantastic. Kang Colby Dec 2015 #35

We have a cabin and a couple hundred acres Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #37

Until a 2A supporter calls him a "gun grabber" that is... Wounded Bear Dec 2015 #45

There is no reasoning with folks that think the POTUS is coming fer their guuuuunnsss! Rex Dec 2015 #14

Those are nutty fantasies. Do you know what's just as big of a fantasy....? Kang Colby Dec 2015 #16

I would refer you to... ZX86 Dec 2015 #19

I put gun rights in the same category as gay marriage, marijuana legalization, and the first Kang Colby Dec 2015 #22

Gay marriage and marijuana ZX86 Dec 2015 #26

What dis President Obama, or congress, have to do with marijuana legislation? Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #28

If sick people didn't do those things with firearms... Kang Colby Dec 2015 #33

Strange question like ZX86 Dec 2015 #38

Our black president has expressed support Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #40

Just like they did for ZX86 Dec 2015 #47

So what? Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #66

Every fear real and imagined sells more guns in right wing world. ZX86 Dec 2015 #70

Impressive ryan_cats Dec 2015 #25

I'll take your pic and raise you two. ZX86 Dec 2015 #29

Makes you wonder what women gun owners are compensating for Major Nikon Dec 2015 #44

Penis envy. ZX86 Dec 2015 #48

By and large, women don't hang "Bumper Nuts" from their trucks either Orrex Dec 2015 #58

It was never anything more than psychobabble to begin with Major Nikon Dec 2015 #59

I don't believe that it was put forth as a serious clinical diagnosis Orrex Dec 2015 #61

So the only difference seems to be with the low hanging fruit Major Nikon Dec 2015 #63

No Orrex Dec 2015 #67

You just described how it is low hanging fruit Major Nikon Dec 2015 #72

You are attempting to declare all rhetorical weakness as off-limits Orrex Dec 2015 #76

I'm not declaring anything off limits Major Nikon Dec 2015 #80

I am using the vernacular of gun apologists Orrex Dec 2015 #83

Sure, everyone is in on the joke, so that makes it OK Major Nikon Dec 2015 #84

I would like you to explain, in detail, how a male can be sexist against males Orrex Dec 2015 #104

I get that you've created your own definition for the term Major Nikon Dec 2015 #105

I find you boring and sanctimonious Orrex Dec 2015 #107

Man, all this PenisTalk� & "low-hanging fruit" is kinda steaming up the joint! Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #99

Easy enough to institute in CT & NY. And so far has survived court challenges. Compliance jmg257 Dec 2015 #32

LOL! K&R'd Photographer Dec 2015 #34

They pretend liberals are Nazis and will go door to door ransacking house for guns. librechik Dec 2015 #42

You mentioned the "N word." You mean "NRA?" Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #100

+1 n/t librechik Dec 2015 #103

That sounds like something that would work in Australia, but we are not as smart or LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #53

And yet Munificence Dec 2015 #56

The level on debate on gun control ZX86 Dec 2015 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #97

Ah, but takes $, time, energy and know-how. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #101

Gun rights organizations have to stoke the fears to keep people paying dues. hollowdweller Dec 2015 #57

I agree. While nationwide, gun control may be a more popular issue Calista241 Dec 2015 #106

...free admission to a Toby Kieth concert in Gulf Shores, AL. cheapdate Dec 2015 #78

I dont want to risk WH or SC with overly aggressive ban talk at this time, given nothing can happen randys1 Dec 2015 #102