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pipoman

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171. No, I see plenty of suggestions from liberal 2nd advocates

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 08:20 PM

Dec 2015

They are always swept aside by those seeking the impossible. Possible things like making NICS checks available for private sales and starting a public service campaign for voluntarily transferring through the system. Why haven't these two things been done by this president? If background checks on private intrastate sales will make a difference, why wouldn't we make it possible and appealing until we get a law. Right now Colorado is not in compliance with their own law because FFL gun dealers are under no regulatory obligation to provide the service.

No, this is being waged as a battle rather than a btotherhood. Gun owners and 2nd amendment types are very much overwhelmingly law and order types. They also believe the old, 'sacrifice rights for safety and have neither' philosophy. The happy medium...the yin and yang is voluntary compliance for the safety of our country. After a few years you will have an ally in the majorityof gun owners and state laws enacted will make way for some sort of federal solution.

Big gun control has done exactly the same thing for 2 decades expecting different results...that means they are crazy or corrupt...the verdicts are in, we will work within those confines or we will do nothing.

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Do gunners think people are so stupid [View all] boston bean Dec 2015 OP

That would be a good start bowens43 Dec 2015 #1

Here's a better start. RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #108

Good thought. treestar Dec 2015 #114

and video games mwrguy Dec 2015 #133

Brilliant idea! smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #154

You really want to take toy guns out of toy stores TeddyR Dec 2015 #166

This works in Europe RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #173

Very good Idea Jim Beard Dec 2015 #185

We need sensible thinking, NRA does not provide a base of sensuble thinking. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #2

Well, "somebody" must care ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #3

the machine gun ban dates from the 1920's or 1930's dsc Dec 2015 #183

Not that much improvement. Same basic designs, shapes, and caliber selection. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #189

If you're going to start trying to ban things pintobean Dec 2015 #4

No, I think my reps and senators get the idea. boston bean Dec 2015 #5

except they do not either Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #10

We should depend on the terrorist organization of the NRA to write these things, heh? boston bean Dec 2015 #11

No, we shouldn't, GGJohn Dec 2015 #27

I dont need to know what makes a car work, I just want to drive it. Jim Beard Dec 2015 #186

But if you're a law maker pondering new laws on firearms, GGJohn Dec 2015 #188

So they all need to know about the parts of a nuclrar weapon to vote for a a reduction treaty. Jim Beard Dec 2015 #193

Well, apparently, those aides aren't doing there jobs, GGJohn Dec 2015 #194

legislators Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #29

Lol. So it doesn't really matter what we're talking about pintobean Dec 2015 #16

Why don't you type it out. You are so interested in the correct vernacular, you could be an expert. boston bean Dec 2015 #19

I'm not trying to ban anything pintobean Dec 2015 #22

Goodie for you. Either get the point/or not, vernacular derailments boston bean Dec 2015 #24

It's what you're whining about. pintobean Dec 2015 #28

Yet, you offer nothing. Except pointing out boston bean Dec 2015 #32

I think you are right. Christ, there are people... actslikeacarrot Dec 2015 #145

Most of our Reps have no fucking clue about firearms. GGJohn Dec 2015 #18

Wow. Good to know. I just ran out of... meaculpa2011 Dec 2015 #36

Hilarious ain't it. GGJohn Dec 2015 #38

Really, what is it with your gun obsession? smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #155

Ok, here's my answer. GGJohn Dec 2015 #159

OK. Thanks for the explanation. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #160

No problem. GGJohn Dec 2015 #161

No problem! smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #162

No, they are rather incompetent on bans... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #187

Nice hijack Renew Deal Dec 2015 #34

He does it every time guns come up here. lark Dec 2015 #81

Thats not 'shooting holes' in the details. beevul Dec 2015 #164

They sure left out a lot of details when they wrote safeinOhio Dec 2015 #40

If all the dead can raise their hands we will go with your proper language proposal. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #87

An answer? Photographer Dec 2015 #6

eh! good one! make the point perfectly. boston bean Dec 2015 #14

that should only Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #15

I thought we just went over this? Photographer Dec 2015 #17

here? Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #30

+1,000,000 lark Dec 2015 #82

Very good, I had to go to the you Tube link and "steal" it for myself. Jim Beard Dec 2015 #190

Hey, if you can't describe the inherent benefits of 1:10 rifling in a .308 barrel ... Scuba Dec 2015 #7

Wrong. Straw Man Dec 2015 #148

One needn't be a neurotoxin specialist to know ... Scuba Dec 2015 #167

Neurotoxins? Straw Man Dec 2015 #169

NO. GGJohn Dec 2015 #8

There will be a tipping point, and your minority of block voters en masse boston bean Dec 2015 #9

Been hearing that for the last 30 years GGJohn Dec 2015 #23

We're getting closer cause the further that pendulum swings into boston bean Dec 2015 #26

We're getting closer? GGJohn Dec 2015 #35

Yes, you just haven't felt it yet. I wouldn't be so sure if I were you. boston bean Dec 2015 #37

How do you know I haven't been affected by firearm violence? GGJohn Dec 2015 #41

When did I intimate any such thing? boston bean Dec 2015 #44

They are a miniscule part of the problem GGJohn Dec 2015 #46

They are the weapon of choice for mass murderers and are easily available. boston bean Dec 2015 #48

Well luckily for us, GGJohn Dec 2015 #52

They are the implement used to KILL innocent people. boston bean Dec 2015 #55

One more time, GGJohn Dec 2015 #58

Your firearms haven't hurt anyone. Yet your position and fight to boston bean Dec 2015 #59

My fight isn't really about the availability of firearms., GGJohn Dec 2015 #61

And in doing so is part of the problem we face today. boston bean Dec 2015 #62

I advocate for freedom of choice and I'm the one being selfish? GGJohn Dec 2015 #63

There are many products that are not safe for society that have been banned, recalled. boston bean Dec 2015 #65

Those products weren't protected under the Constitution. GGJohn Dec 2015 #66

Neither are all types of gun ownership protected under the constitution. boston bean Dec 2015 #68

The words in general use mean anything to you? GGJohn Dec 2015 #69

This will change, and it will be despite persons like yourself. Sorry to say. boston bean Dec 2015 #71

The SCOTUS is loath to overturn settled law, GGJohn Dec 2015 #73

The supreme court can and will bend to this national crisis. boston bean Dec 2015 #74

The SCOTUS doesn't interpret the Constitution according to the will of the people GGJohn Dec 2015 #77

I believe the constitution is a living breathing document, like most people boston bean Dec 2015 #78

Of course it is, I never said different, GGJohn Dec 2015 #79

They shall when we have the right mix of justices. boston bean Dec 2015 #80

Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying LALALALALALA GGJohn Dec 2015 #83

and right back at you. I believe that this country will one day soon boston bean Dec 2015 #84

Here ya go Boston Bean Jim Beard Dec 2015 #195

Wanting to ban self loading firearms is not "reasonable". beevul Dec 2015 #165

Why do you need a semi automatic ? treestar Dec 2015 #115

I own and live on a small farm, we have lots of predators that try to take our livestock, GGJohn Dec 2015 #119

great thing about the AR platform Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #125

for hunting deer and elk treestar Dec 2015 #139

what's not ordinary Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #144

Several reasons hack89 Dec 2015 #146

It's much lighter than the standard bolt action hunting rifle with all the wood furniture on it, GGJohn Dec 2015 #149

What makes the AR15/AR10 platform quite popular is the ability to push to pins, pop out the current Waldorf Dec 2015 #150

The only semiautomatics I own... (this ended up being a long post...fair warning!) Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #129

nice rant, thanks Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #147

Having cases of MRE's is also a prudent move, GGJohn Dec 2015 #153

Yep. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #156

Not a ban, but just safeinOhio Dec 2015 #45

I would have no problem with opening up the NFA to include semi auto rifles GGJohn Dec 2015 #47

Sure, add to that safeinOhio Dec 2015 #51

Agreed. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #53

"yet, firearm laws are getting more liberal each year. " Springslips Dec 2015 #43

Are there any restrictions you'd support? lark Dec 2015 #91

I would like to see the NFA reopened and semi auto rifles classified as NFA titled weapons, GGJohn Dec 2015 #94

Ha, the law does't say anything about citizenship. lark Dec 2015 #104

Not for much longer. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #134

It doesn't matter what anyone wants or how many supports pipoman Dec 2015 #25

All it took was a Supreme Court decision to get us to where we are now. -none Dec 2015 #70

Apparently you don't understand how the SCOTUS works, GGJohn Dec 2015 #72

Appearently it is you that does not understand a few things here. -none Dec 2015 #90

Apples v Oranges. GGJohn Dec 2015 #92

It will take a hundred fucking years. . you do know this right? pipoman Dec 2015 #99

The states are doing the same with guns yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #121

Actually, Chicago gun laws are now the same as all of Illinois State Pre-emption applies DonP Dec 2015 #157

VRA was settled Supreme Court law and it was over-turned. lark Dec 2015 #98

Neither will happen in your lifetime....what will you do today? pipoman Dec 2015 #101

As I said, very rarely does the SC overturn themselves. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #103

But, it does happen. lark Dec 2015 #105

Yes, it does happen on a rare occasion. GGJohn Dec 2015 #107

In today's messed up rw world, I don't trust the SCOTUS to do anything right. lark Dec 2015 #116

"Get us where we are?" SCOTUS merely affirmed where we have been for years. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #191

The union will dissolve long before that happens. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #112

The last major overhaul on gun control was by president Clinton in 1994 yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #118

En masse? Well, that explains the glut of teabaggers and republicans in congress. Photographer Dec 2015 #13

Yeah, who cares that millions are killed? lark Dec 2015 #85

No, what counts that law abiding citizens have the right to make the choice of what's best for GGJohn Dec 2015 #88

Freedom to live is more important. lark Dec 2015 #93

My firearms in no way is the problem, they've never been used in any criminal manner GGJohn Dec 2015 #96

"who cares that millions are killed?" EX500rider Dec 2015 #168

Why ? treestar Dec 2015 #113

Would that include handguns as well? Elmergantry Dec 2015 #12

Airplane crash? Aerospace community: how can we make these safer? Mass shooting? Gun community: crickets. lostnfound Dec 2015 #20

You just don't like what you hear pipoman Dec 2015 #31

We all know that NRA propganda has worked, and it's worked well. baldguy Dec 2015 #50

The only real threat the NRA has is, 'we will sue and win on constitutional grounds'... pipoman Dec 2015 #64

I like those solutions just fine but I don't see the gun community exactly aligned on them lostnfound Dec 2015 #135

No, the issue is that those most concerned waste their time on constitutional impossibilities... pipoman Dec 2015 #138

The gun community owns this problem. Why doesn't "those most concerned" include the gun community? lostnfound Dec 2015 #170

No, I see plenty of suggestions from liberal 2nd advocates pipoman Dec 2015 #171

What about the backlash against smart guns that only fire when in one's own hands... lostnfound Dec 2015 #174

There isn't a single good option available.... pipoman Dec 2015 #176

allow them to be sold Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #177

Saw an editorial treestar Dec 2015 #163

Since that isn't going to happen.... pipoman Dec 2015 #21

Farook passed a background check Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #39

Do you realize pipoman Dec 2015 #57

yes best to do nothing because anything we do will not be perfect. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #76

The San Bernadino terrorists had a garage bomb factory. Hangingon Dec 2015 #95

technical derailment diversion. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #128

Okay. I'll just wait and see. Hangingon Dec 2015 #152

We'll have to take it up with the NBA: National Bomb Association. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #192

Why don't you care that 100k felons, crazys, and domestic abusers are ignored? pipoman Dec 2015 #131

Their internet playbook puts the "technical derailment" Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #33

Someone has to know the terminology TNLiberal4 Dec 2015 #42

absolutlely Locrian Dec 2015 #54

True. That's why no one but doctors can discuss laws about medical practices and products. And Squinch Dec 2015 #151

Discussion is great TNLiberal4 Dec 2015 #175

Bernie Sanders is not a financial industry insider. Do you think he is capable of putting Squinch Dec 2015 #184

This law has stood the test of time safeinOhio Dec 2015 #49

problem is fully auto Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #60

Opium poppies were a widely grown garden flower too jberryhill Dec 2015 #97

and I am for cannabis legalization Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #102

So am I, but that's not the point jberryhill Dec 2015 #122

and weapons are heavily Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #124

Clearly not enough jberryhill Dec 2015 #140

clearly need to be enforced Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #143

You could buy one from the Sears catalog at the time safeinOhio Dec 2015 #132

yes but most did not Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #136

No, I do not believe that edgineered Dec 2015 #56

An argument for a lack of critical thinking when proposing gun bans? aikoaiko Dec 2015 #67

"You can't have this, you can't say that, you can't go there, you can't do that." Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #75

I'm not sure if they think we/people are stupid G_j Dec 2015 #86

Ban pressure cookers shadowrider Dec 2015 #89

Pressure cookers have a use other than killing Renew Deal Dec 2015 #109

So pressure cookers used as bombs are ok, since they have more than one use? shadowrider Dec 2015 #111

That is their way of derailing any discussion on gun control. Trying to turn it into a technical stevenleser Dec 2015 #100

You think this is a discussion about gun control? cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #123

not gun control at all Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #106

This Citizen Suspects That Appeals To Reason Will Not Persuade - Certainly The NRA Agrees cantbeserious Dec 2015 #110

I'd like to go on record... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #117

Yawn cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #120

. Facility Inspector Dec 2015 #127

as if people don't recognize all the NRA talking points G_j Dec 2015 #130

How about we de-glamorize them? Igel Dec 2015 #137

Then you will need to ban everything except single shot weapons. A revolver can be fired as fast Waldorf Dec 2015 #141

Mine are made for saving lives... ileus Dec 2015 #142

The fact that firearms can be used for legitimate self defense and often are ... spin Dec 2015 #182

Another stupid EMOTIONAL OP that gets no conversation going nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #158

Stupid, no. Ignorant, yes. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #172

I disagree and that is because I watch sausage making for real nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #178

Actually, you seem to be in very much agreement with me. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #179

Where I disagree is that people should not be stuck on lingo nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #180

You still seem to be agreeing with me. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #181