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In reply to the discussion: Well all the talk has made it too the NRA... [View all]virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Yes... But before you go off on me, hear me out
The No-Fly list that the "average" person has no way of getting off of, or even knowing is they are on it, with zero judicial oversight? Some want to use these "secret" lists as a basis to deny a civil liberty?????
Progressives support this? remember, Senator Ted Kennedy was on the list at one time, because he was a high profile senator, he was able to get off of it, after several weeks, and making three PERSONAL phone calls to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge but what about the average person who wont have the Homeland Security Secretary's phone number?
Do we, really want to set the precedent that it is OK, to deny someone civil liberties because they "happen" to be on a super secret watch list, with no judicial oversight, and no way for the average person to get off of it? Or even know that they are on it in the first place?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/19/senator_on_terror_watch/
The ACLU's take on it...
https://www.aclu.org/news/court-rules-no-fly-list-process-unconstitutional-and-must-be-reformed
Our clients will finally get the due process to which they are entitled under the Constitution. This excellent decision also benefits other people wrongly stuck on the No Fly List, with the promise of a way out from a Kafkaesque bureaucracy causing them no end of grief and hardship.
No it has not been fixed yet. Before you support the use of Bush-Co's super secret terra watch list, to deny someone a civil liberty, understand that you are saying it is OK, to deny all civil liberties in the same manner. How would you like to wake up one day and be told that you have no civil liberties because you name appears on a secret list, and have zero recourse to take?
Add judicial oversight to the list, with a way for innocent people to clear their names, I can support it, until then, HELL NO.