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loyalsister

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29. The implication of "glorious war" is in your head

Tue May 29, 2012, 10:54 PM

May 2012

and others who choose to extend the word hero to that. Chris Hayes made a reasonable argument for discussion among people who study philosophy or language, but at least it wasn't condescending.

Accusing people of being stupid because of how they feel about their friends and loved ones comes across as degrading and downright hateful.

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Civil rights attorney Leo Terrell is disgusted with Chris Hayes [View all] alp227 May 2012 OP

Terrell's message, summarized: alp227 May 2012 #1

Even if it is the politicians fault that the wars are unjust, how can he turn around and say that Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #8

Another fool who hasn't seen what Hayes actually said tularetom May 2012 #2

I am glad somebody else called him a fool ashling May 2012 #3

Oh horseshit. GeorgeGist May 2012 #17

Thanks. TOO MANY fools around, elleng May 2012 #5

The first caller to the show actually said that! alp227 May 2012 #9

What do you mean "also"? Hayes didn't blame the troops at all. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #4

Right, no blaming at all. elleng May 2012 #7

DU no longer explicitly says so, but... alp227 May 2012 #10

His comments didn't seem poorly thought out to me. EFerrari May 2012 #11

Sounds like Hayes' thoughts went over his head. DirkGently May 2012 #6

breaking through rhetorical armlock.... loyalsister May 2012 #25

He had nothing to apologize for. We can't afford to wait for everyone to catch up DirkGently May 2012 #28

The implication of "glorious war" is in your head loyalsister May 2012 #29

A grossly dishonest interpretation of my post. "Glorious war" is not even in there. DirkGently May 2012 #30

Not really loyalsister May 2012 #33

No one directed this at individual soldiers. You made that up dishonestly. DirkGently May 2012 #37

Do individuals not make up the group spoken of? loyalsister May 2012 #38

You are struggling to find an angle to take issue with. DirkGently May 2012 #39

No, I have a personal stake loyalsister May 2012 #40

there is nothing heroic about joining the military. there may some incidents of specifically heroic msongs May 2012 #12

It is, after all, a job. Not one that everyone wants to do, but a job. GoneOffShore May 2012 #19

Chris Hayes showed guts, unlike Leo Terrell's knee-jerk pandering. SunSeeker May 2012 #13

Bill Maher took the same sort of shit after 9-11 for refusing to go coalition_unwilling May 2012 #14

Yes, that ran across my mind as well. SunSeeker May 2012 #15

bullshit Skittles May 2012 #16

So you believe all those surprise attacks that killed so many women and children Bandit May 2012 #18

if the goal is to kill innocent people Skittles May 2012 #27

Oh, snap! - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #35

OK, but Maher's point is that the hijackers were willing to die for their beliefs. It's the coalition_unwilling May 2012 #20

that is religious fanaticism, not bravery Skittles May 2012 #26

Question for you: who is more 'cowardly,' hijackers coalition_unwilling May 2012 #34

??????? Skittles May 2012 #36

The conservative frame of patriotism it's so much like religion it's sickening. alp227 May 2012 #21

I'm sorry, but I do not share your opinion of Leo Terrell. SunSeeker May 2012 #22

Thank you for expressing that so eloquently I couldn't agree with you or what Chris was saying more. jp11 May 2012 #23

It's perverse to suggest we honor soldiers by assenting to bad wars DirkGently May 2012 #31

Yes. They didn't just die. They died in vain. That is the real horror. nt SunSeeker May 2012 #32

what crap. fuck Terrell. So now not calling soldiers heroes is soldier-blaming cali May 2012 #24