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68. We both have a point

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #57)

Mon Dec 7, 2015, 08:55 PM

Dec 2015

Yes, there is a strong anti-immigration motivation to the Front National vote.
However, one should not forget that party has become #1 among blue collars (far ahead of the historically blue collar Socialist or Communist Parties) with strong inroads among teachers on salary issues.

And while immigration stays the #1 concern of FN voters at 64%, the aggregate of financial reasons adds up to 80% ahead of immigration (total = 200%, with two answers):
- purchasing power 35%
- unemployment 24%
- financial crisis 21%

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The Return To Facism Has Begun In Europe cantbeserious Dec 2015 #1

It's amazing how fast things can change nt flamingdem Dec 2015 #2

Oddly enough, not in Germany or Italy Yorktown Dec 2015 #4

What do you think will happen to Frau Merkel? Nt flamingdem Dec 2015 #6

She will calmly leave in 2017. Yorktown Dec 2015 #7

She'll be gone. 840high Dec 2015 #11

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Agree to Disagree JustAnotherGen Dec 2015 #30

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Far right? Far nonsense. Yorktown Dec 2015 #3

Yesturday I served at my poll station and counted ballots. mylye2222 Dec 2015 #5

In which part of France? Yorktown Dec 2015 #9

In St-Etienne, central-eastern France. mylye2222 Dec 2015 #35

Oh, surprised. Yorktown Dec 2015 #38

Me too. mylye2222 Dec 2015 #39

I went once around St Etienne Yorktown Dec 2015 #41

Why do you think they are having so much success in your area? smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #60

less immigration than high uneployement. mylye2222 Dec 2015 #64

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Truth is that the far right is only rising because people have hidden racist attitudes politicman Dec 2015 #8

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Please see my answer #18 Yorktown Dec 2015 #19

I'm simply explaining racialized the nature of the bigotry to you Scootaloo Dec 2015 #20

Agreed, and I knew. But do not discard the legitimate ideological worry. Yorktown Dec 2015 #22

That's not really a legitimate worry Scootaloo Dec 2015 #23

No, it's very legitimate worry, as numbers can demonstrate Yorktown Dec 2015 #27

Again; A minority within a minority wants something that they can't agree on Scootaloo Dec 2015 #29

I have personally zero worry on the subject Yorktown Dec 2015 #37

That's 15% *of those who are religious* muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #42

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(a) they're from your own source muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #49

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Have you a link for "the #1 reason for support to the Front National is unemployment"? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #44

Easy Yorktown Dec 2015 #55

That's a failure of logic muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #57

We both have a point Yorktown Dec 2015 #68

When there's 3 economic issues listed, then you'd expect them to add up to more than just one muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #92

The reasons add up because "it's about the economy, stupid" (not you, the old Clinton quote) Yorktown Dec 2015 #94

The point is that with people allowed to pick 2, and 1 'immigration' vs. 3 'economic' muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #96

Oh, sorry, I misread you Yorktown Dec 2015 #97

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