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pablo_marmol

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155. "None of your non sequiturs changes that."

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:28 AM

Dec 2015

Translation:

None of the accurate and honest data that you present will change my mind, given that I've chosen to swallow the nonsense spoon-fed me by willfully uneducated talking heads.

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I have been thinking on why Gun Owners are becoming increasingly defensive [View all] nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 OP

The behavior of gun owners mirrors the behavior of the Republican Party. LonePirate Dec 2015 #1

So you're accusing members here that are firearms owners of being just like the repukes? GGJohn Dec 2015 #8

Some of the talk from the gunners here at DU certainly resembles the talk from Repubs. LonePirate Dec 2015 #9

More utter horseshit. GGJohn Dec 2015 #10

Bit defensive are we..?? lobodons Dec 2015 #28

The bullshit is getting awful thick around here. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #29

He's not proving their point at all. pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #98

I don't see it as bigotry and hipocrisy. I see it as sane people who are appalled by Squinch Dec 2015 #138

"Tomato, tomahto, I guess." pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #148

Fact: we have a massacre every week in the United States. Sometimes 2. Perpetrated by a gun humper. Squinch Dec 2015 #149

So much nonsense. beevul Dec 2015 #150

"Non gun measures aimed at preventing gun violence" Squinch Dec 2015 #151

No, but I do get tired of your false claims. beevul Dec 2015 #152

"None of your non sequiturs changes that." pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #155

I used to assume a pro gun person was no better than a con, i was wrong... randys1 Dec 2015 #27

Thank you randys1. GGJohn Dec 2015 #31

+1 greytdemocrat Dec 2015 #76

Thanks for your integrity, randys1......and thanks in general. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #97

thank you Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #127

Thank you, and noted again. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #128

I agree completely. It is astonishing to me how callous some Dems appear nowadays. Hoyt Dec 2015 #36

But they are our allies on so many other important issues. We have to come together somehow. randys1 Dec 2015 #114

I'm not sure we can come to terms with the gun 1%ers. The majority who own a gun Hoyt Dec 2015 #116

I am trying to understand it and I think it is culture. Someone has something as a big part randys1 Dec 2015 #117

Ding, dang, ding nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #119

Democrats I've known aren't pushing gunz and all the crud that go with them. Sorry. Hoyt Dec 2015 #120

Due to work I know a few good democrats in my back ountry nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #121

Sorry, Nadin, but in my area of the country, gunz and racism are just too closely related. Hoyt Dec 2015 #122

You think my back country does not have a few racists? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #123

I have never suggested an outright ban on gunz. A gun or two in the home Hoyt Dec 2015 #129

But you are the one also making blanket statemetns that gun owners are racists nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #131

I'm fine with that, but gunners - here and elsewhere - would freak out. Hoyt Dec 2015 #133

Yuo are the one using the term "gunner" which shuts down any useful discussion nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #134

I've been discussing this for over 40 years. Gunners are inveterate. Hoyt Dec 2015 #135

And when you appraoch a policy maker nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #136

If you kiss their rear, nothing will change either. Heck, policy makers can't even Hoyt Dec 2015 #137

Yet, at local levels pols are starting to challenge the NRA nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #139

Maybe in California, not in red states or even states like Vermont. Hoyt Dec 2015 #140

Would you like PA? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #141

"5 round mags" jack_krass Dec 2015 #159

Except that recent shootings like that of a congresswoman nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #161

Firearms laws are more permissive than ever TeddyR Dec 2015 #82

The percentage of the populace owning guns is in decline. Not much dispute there. LonePirate Dec 2015 #83

Hell even just two guns nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #87

Stats dude TeddyR Dec 2015 #88

And there is a DIRECT relationship between more permissive gun laws nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #91

Oh! What a shock! Look at the red states. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #108

This is not about being an idiot or not nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #111

Yes, but it's still my claim that the stupid and uneducated cling more tightly smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #112

You are assuming that my neighbors are well educated nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #113

Yes, but for instance MA has a gun ownership rate of 12.6% smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #115

As I said, I think it is population related nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #118

That was in 2007, the gun ownership rate is now at 18.98% Sources: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #156

More GUNS are getting concentrated in LESS people nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #162

MA licenses *gun owners*, not guns- and the # of gun owners here has increased 50% since 2007 friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #168

Except for statistics nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #169

What are the numbers from *other* states that license all gun owners, and make stats available? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #170

I dare say we are seeing a cultural change nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #171

The cultural change in Massachusetts and Illinois is that there are more first-time gun owners,... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #172

Ah personal attacks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #173

Not an attack, an observation- what I claimed is empirically true, and was denied by you friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #174

And you did engage in a personal attack nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #175

You were wrong, shown proof that you were wrong, and instead of acknowledging that... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #176

And you engaged in a personal attack nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #177

Higher rates, perhaps, but not "more gun deaths" across the boards. beevul Dec 2015 #163

There is a connection nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #165

You were originally talking about 'accidental' gun deaths? N/T beevul Dec 2015 #166

Among them yes nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #167

The percentage of the population that owns a gun is down nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #89

pure BS 840high Dec 2015 #94

There is one minority that you left out world wide wally Dec 2015 #2

The gun itself can be made illegal if the Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #4

I can think of plenty of guns that are ilegal nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #5

The guns you mentioned can be legally owned by individuals. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #18

You mentioned the registry, which I did as well (1930s legacy law) nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #21

At least one murder tied to a Dayton police officer with a legal MAC-10 derby378 Dec 2015 #23

The same one I am talking about nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #26

I was just pointing out that NFA weapons are legal to own. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #43

Alas they were AR 15 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #44

I'm pretty sure they were full auto. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #46

And I am pretty much they were not nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #50

Since both of the bank robbers were killed in the shootout. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #57

They are rarely used nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #60

Your replies to me are lacking in details. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #63

Rifles are used iirc less than 5 percent of crimes nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #64

You are incredibly difficult to have an exchange with on DU. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #67

The link I gave you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #69

You are incredibly difficult to communicate with. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #72

Yes and a fact is that they were not in the registry nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #73

Once again, you confuse me. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #75

I am stating a general fact nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #78

Why are you telling me this? Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #81

I am done wiht you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #92

Circular arguements? Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #96

North Hollywood shootout oneshooter Dec 2015 #132

I think there has been something like 2 crimes commited with registered machine guns SpookyDem Dec 2015 #59

Good memory. The last was 1988 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #61

WtF is wrong with you? world wide wally Dec 2015 #80

Good policy comes from knowing this shit nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #86

I think your next to last sentence sums up what I believe will happen... madinmaryland Dec 2015 #3

When you were growing up in OH in the 60s and 70s nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #6

The Remington Model 8, the Model 742 were high-powered rifles from... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #130

People on the losing side of history former9thward Dec 2015 #7

My data is supported by plenty of other data done by researchers on this nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #11

This is no research on gun ownership. former9thward Dec 2015 #12

Alas while not perfect, thanks to the NRA, these ownership trends nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #13

I am sure the people on the south side of Chicago former9thward Dec 2015 #24

Ah yes, I was wondering how long you would say the word Chicago nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #25

Rahm, is that you? former9thward Dec 2015 #74

Expected as well nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #79

It is in summer. You don't need the ivory tower to tell them that. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #37

It reminds me of smokers thirty years ago Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #14

That is a good analogy nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #15

These were junk M1911 knockoffs Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #16

Then the local SO should have taken them nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #17

If someone brings me a musket from the Second Indian War I will do that Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #19

Can you imagine trying to hold off a bank with this? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #30

Penis extension? GGJohn Dec 2015 #32

It's not that hard to understand if you look objectively at those who are into guns and Hoyt Dec 2015 #39

As if you're capable of looking objectively at folks who are into guns. beevul Dec 2015 #45

Disagree nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #52

I'm fine with someone who has a gun or two at home for hunting. That's not who is fueling Hoyt Dec 2015 #66

Hoyt, on the firearm issue, GGJohn Dec 2015 #54

Projection pocoloco Dec 2015 #42

Well, gun ownership appears to be about equal to Kang Colby Dec 2015 #20

Even Gallup 50 percent does not equal 44 percent nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #22

Gun ownership polls are worthless B2G Dec 2015 #34

Especially when they don't comply with your preconceptions. Photographer Dec 2015 #47

Notice, I said **about** equal to where it was Kang Colby Dec 2015 #38

50 percent and 41 percent nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #143

Huh? Re-read my post. I'm citing forty year increments. n/t Kang Colby Dec 2015 #146

the local gun shop parking lot was JAMMED today grasswire Dec 2015 #33

Yet nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #35

I agree. Kang Colby Dec 2015 #40

For political purposes, national trends are not always the relevant or most important indicator. branford Dec 2015 #41

But nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #51

Not necessarily, and trends change. branford Dec 2015 #56

And interpretations of rights also change nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #65

Interpretations do indeed sometimes change, branford Dec 2015 #70

Heller in the view of many experts nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #71

K&R Photographer Dec 2015 #48

This is definitely. deathrind Dec 2015 #49

Ammuniton is part of the "Arms" in the 2nd. Waldorf Dec 2015 #58

Many responses on this thread resemble those statistics. liberal N proud Dec 2015 #53

You noticed that too nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #62

You have to love it when people validate facts while arguing against them liberal N proud Dec 2015 #103

It is anecdotal but amazing at the same time nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #106

Most I know and talk to are paranoid. At the range I would say 80% right wingers who hate Obama.... Logical Dec 2015 #55

There are those yes nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #68

You are 100% correct, but many younger ones pick it up from dad also. nt Logical Dec 2015 #84

Yeah, but many of the younger ones are not picking up on the hobby as much nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #93

Gun owners are constantly demanded to prove need. krispos42 Dec 2015 #77

What I am poiting to you is not the need to prove need nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #95

I think your hope for change is overblown. krispos42 Dec 2015 #109

The tools for self defense is not translatiing into more sales nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #110

You're probably right krispos42 Dec 2015 #144

People really need to ask why we are having these many mass shootings nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #145

True, but not for the obvious reasons DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #85

And that is a brilliant observation nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #90

Thanks DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #99

"...dead the minute they had dental trouble." valerief Dec 2015 #178

Thank you for reading DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #180

I know just who you mean. valerief Dec 2015 #181

That was a bullseye DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #182

So, what is the difference between bullshit and absolute bullshit? world wide wally Dec 2015 #100

I know people like you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #107

It's the desired effect of Turbineguy Dec 2015 #101

That we have less people owning ? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #105

Haven't there been record breaking gun sales JNelson6563 Dec 2015 #102

To the same people nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #104

They're like single women and cats TexasBushwhacker Dec 2015 #147

Bingo! America's gun owners are candidates for the Hoarders teevee show. nt valerief Dec 2015 #179

Yeah some are worried enough that they start talking about the 'gun grabbers' as if it is Red vs Blu Rex Dec 2015 #124

Yeah but quite a bit of the emotionally ladden nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #126

um nope demtenjeep Dec 2015 #125

you really have no idea of any of this demtenjeep Dec 2015 #142

All gun owners are beneficiaries of the NRA. morningfog Dec 2015 #158

You confuse "defensiveness" with worry about Democratic Party viability. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #153

Actually this has not one thing to do with political parties nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #154

Here's an example of some gun owners after a man was on the phylny Dec 2015 #157

I have talked to a lot of fun gun owners like that nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #160

Maybe they started reading DU. nt B2G Dec 2015 #164