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Showing Original Post only (View all)"Fuck the NRA, fuck the Republicans. Fuck you and your fucking guns." [View all]
https://popehat.com/2015/12/07/talking-productively-about-guns/Most of our talk about guns is cultural signalling. We use guns as shorthand for a bundle of ideas. I saw this on my Facebook feed last week:

I'm sure this felt good to the people who made it and distributed it, and to the like-minded people who saw it. But it didn't persuade anyone other than, perhaps, a few more people to vote Republican. It's a classic example of guns-as-culture. In this bundle, guns mean Republican, guns mean conservative, guns mean not liking President Obama, guns mean religious, guns mean socially traditional, guns mean rural, guns mean football and Nascar and using fewer than five words to order coffee. The intended message may be "fuck the people who don't seriously debate gun control because they accept vast campaign donations and they are afraid of NRA-led primary attacks and who refuse to even consider whether there's something we can do about madmen spraying crowds of innocents with bullets." But your message is "fuck you and your flyover-country Daddy teaching you to shoot in the woods behind the house when you were twelve and fuck the church you went to afterwards."
This goes for both sides. Consider this, also recently popular:

Your intended message may be "the government doesn't get to determine my rights based on its assessment of what I 'need," nor do fellow citizens who may arbitrarily determine I don't 'need' a wide variety of things based on their concerns." But what you are conveying is that "the people who want gun control are God-hating, kale-chewing, coastal-elite socialists who want to imprison your pastor for not marrying gays."
A lot of this is deliberate. We use culture-bundling to get out the vote, or to associate one policy position with another one. It's as American as apple pie. But is it working for you here? Reasonable gun control advocates, how far will you get with the message "a vote for reasonable gun control is a 'fuck you' to the hicks"? Gun control opponents, for how long do you think you'll thrive with "allowing gun control is like allowing gay marriage"? If you want to culture-bundle, have fun. But don't pretend you're actually going to change anything.

I'm sure this felt good to the people who made it and distributed it, and to the like-minded people who saw it. But it didn't persuade anyone other than, perhaps, a few more people to vote Republican. It's a classic example of guns-as-culture. In this bundle, guns mean Republican, guns mean conservative, guns mean not liking President Obama, guns mean religious, guns mean socially traditional, guns mean rural, guns mean football and Nascar and using fewer than five words to order coffee. The intended message may be "fuck the people who don't seriously debate gun control because they accept vast campaign donations and they are afraid of NRA-led primary attacks and who refuse to even consider whether there's something we can do about madmen spraying crowds of innocents with bullets." But your message is "fuck you and your flyover-country Daddy teaching you to shoot in the woods behind the house when you were twelve and fuck the church you went to afterwards."
This goes for both sides. Consider this, also recently popular:

Your intended message may be "the government doesn't get to determine my rights based on its assessment of what I 'need," nor do fellow citizens who may arbitrarily determine I don't 'need' a wide variety of things based on their concerns." But what you are conveying is that "the people who want gun control are God-hating, kale-chewing, coastal-elite socialists who want to imprison your pastor for not marrying gays."
A lot of this is deliberate. We use culture-bundling to get out the vote, or to associate one policy position with another one. It's as American as apple pie. But is it working for you here? Reasonable gun control advocates, how far will you get with the message "a vote for reasonable gun control is a 'fuck you' to the hicks"? Gun control opponents, for how long do you think you'll thrive with "allowing gun control is like allowing gay marriage"? If you want to culture-bundle, have fun. But don't pretend you're actually going to change anything.
The bolded point isn't the only good point. I thought it was all useful.
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"Fuck the NRA, fuck the Republicans. Fuck you and your fucking guns." [View all]
Brickbat
Dec 2015
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Glad you enjoyed it. It's really, really hard for most people to talk about guns without getting
Brickbat
Dec 2015
#2
Politics don't mean much when you have a bullet in your chest now does it?
951-Riverside
Dec 2015
#5
"I'm done hearing...". Thats appropriate, since you never seem to have listened.
beevul
Dec 2015
#10
Guns are Guns, Firearms are Firearms and Guns aka Firearms are used in war.
951-Riverside
Dec 2015
#15
LOL! For the record, I did click and read the linked column with the earlier title,
petronius
Dec 2015
#4
How DARE we speak up, how DARE we fight back, how DARE we "say what we think"?!!?!??
hatrack
Dec 2015
#22
Other than the F-word and the vaguely sexist reference to "p------," nothing new from media...
Eleanors38
Dec 2015
#30