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Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:29 AM Dec 2015

"Fuck the NRA, fuck the Republicans. Fuck you and your fucking guns." [View all]

https://popehat.com/2015/12/07/talking-productively-about-guns/

Most of our talk about guns is cultural signalling. We use guns as shorthand for a bundle of ideas. I saw this on my Facebook feed last week:



I'm sure this felt good to the people who made it and distributed it, and to the like-minded people who saw it. But it didn't persuade anyone — other than, perhaps, a few more people to vote Republican. It's a classic example of guns-as-culture. In this bundle, guns mean Republican, guns mean conservative, guns mean not liking President Obama, guns mean religious, guns mean socially traditional, guns mean rural, guns mean football and Nascar and using fewer than five words to order coffee. The intended message may be "fuck the people who don't seriously debate gun control because they accept vast campaign donations and they are afraid of NRA-led primary attacks and who refuse to even consider whether there's something we can do about madmen spraying crowds of innocents with bullets." But your message is "fuck you and your flyover-country Daddy teaching you to shoot in the woods behind the house when you were twelve and fuck the church you went to afterwards."

This goes for both sides. Consider this, also recently popular:



Your intended message may be "the government doesn't get to determine my rights based on its assessment of what I 'need," nor do fellow citizens who may arbitrarily determine I don't 'need' a wide variety of things based on their concerns." But what you are conveying is that "the people who want gun control are God-hating, kale-chewing, coastal-elite socialists who want to imprison your pastor for not marrying gays."

A lot of this is deliberate. We use culture-bundling to get out the vote, or to associate one policy position with another one. It's as American as apple pie. But is it working for you here? Reasonable gun control advocates, how far will you get with the message "a vote for reasonable gun control is a 'fuck you' to the hicks"? Gun control opponents, for how long do you think you'll thrive with "allowing gun control is like allowing gay marriage"? If you want to culture-bundle, have fun. But don't pretend you're actually going to change anything.


The bolded point isn't the only good point. I thought it was all useful.
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Other than the people who live for the gun debate pintobean Dec 2015 #1
Glad you enjoyed it. It's really, really hard for most people to talk about guns without getting Brickbat Dec 2015 #2
Politics don't mean much when you have a bullet in your chest now does it? 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #5
Well, it's always good to know where people stand. Brickbat Dec 2015 #9
"I'm done hearing...". Thats appropriate, since you never seem to have listened. beevul Dec 2015 #10
Guns are Guns, Firearms are Firearms and Guns aka Firearms are used in war. 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #15
If one hates guns I suppose. beevul Dec 2015 #17
Spot on! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #14
Kick for the grabbier title! Brickbat Dec 2015 #3
LOL! For the record, I did click and read the linked column with the earlier title, petronius Dec 2015 #4
Glad you enjoyed it, no matter the title. Brickbat Dec 2015 #11
Sex sells pintobean Dec 2015 #6
It's a gun thread, so might as well... Brickbat Dec 2015 #12
We've had plenty of tone policing over the years. Orsino Dec 2015 #7
Does peaceful change come from insults? Brickbat Dec 2015 #13
Yeah, from enough of them. Orsino Dec 2015 #18
Keep up the good work pintobean Dec 2015 #23
Is that movie an argument for or against politeness? n/t Orsino Dec 2015 #25
Actually, an illustration of the "tipping point." Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #31
When was politeness tried? pintobean Dec 2015 #32
Shame is an underrated tool Blecht Dec 2015 #20
Yep. Jon Stewart dropped a shame bomb on the Daily Show the other night. Orsino Dec 2015 #24
Wow! First "Tone-Policing," and now "Culture-Bundle." Paladin Dec 2015 #8
My safe-space isn't big enough for all this new terminology. Dr. Strange Dec 2015 #16
"Reasonable" Blecht Dec 2015 #19
People lecturing me that I can or cannot change a thing bemuse me. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #21
How DARE we speak up, how DARE we fight back, how DARE we "say what we think"?!!?!?? hatrack Dec 2015 #22
Ironic on so many levels. Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #26
I prefer the words "cowards" or "fraidy-cats" to "pussies." Iggo Dec 2015 #27
Here is what Trevor Noah thinks of that term... lame54 Dec 2015 #29
Calls for gun control Elmergantry Dec 2015 #28
Other than the F-word and the vaguely sexist reference to "p------," nothing new from media... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #30
missing a big point here KT2000 Dec 2015 #33
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