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DetlefK

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30. All the comments here focus on a military draft...

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:30 PM

Dec 2015

Germany had a two-fold draft: You were allowed to choose between military-service or civil-service.

Military-service consisted of basic military training and stand-by stuff like disaster-aid.

Civil-service lasted longer and the monthly salary was worse. In civil-service, the government basically rented you out to medical and social services.
(The normal health-check by army-doctors. Then they want a one-page-essay on why you want to opt out from military-service and do civil-service instead. The essay is graded very subjectively. Unless you are athletic AND smart, the army won't mind letting you go if you want to. I did civil-service and worked with old and disabled people and got a very basic nurse-training (no medication-related stuff).)
For example, you will have to work as a nurse in a hospital, or in a kindergarten, or as a driver for meals-on-wheels, or as a paramedic assistant...

You either join the military or you spend that year working with the old, vulnerable, needy and disenfranchised for a crappy wage.

Pick one. Or go to jail.

Just imagine everybody spending a year in their late teens working for the poor and sick. You think they would still vote republican as adults?

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Bring the Draft Back! [View all] busterbrown Dec 2015 OP

No. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #1

Agree!!! busterbrown Dec 2015 #5

50000 American dead an more than Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #8

Would have gone on indefinitely... busterbrown Dec 2015 #36

+1 JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #6

the military turns down a large majority of applicants rollin74 Dec 2015 #2

Perhaps their parents.. busterbrown Dec 2015 #16

sorry, I can't support reinstating an unnecessary draft for the purpose of... rollin74 Dec 2015 #19

yes, yes, yes handmade34 Dec 2015 #3

Most here, who don�t agree.. busterbrown Dec 2015 #9

You're in favor of people being conscripted for other people's political views? cemaphonic Dec 2015 #34

No MohRokTah Dec 2015 #4

Do not bring back involuntary servitude. Orsino Dec 2015 #7

�Involuntary Servitude" busterbrown Dec 2015 #11

Congress will exempt its families/goodfellas. Orsino Dec 2015 #13

Don�t think that will quite happen.. busterbrown Dec 2015 #18

It happened before with less corrupt Congresses. Orsino Dec 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author hughee99 Dec 2015 #63

Remember when twit douchbag Pierce Bush was urging young Americans valerief Dec 2015 #10

Great Reminder!! busterbrown Dec 2015 #12

Yes Funtatlaguy Dec 2015 #25

Beau Biden went FrodosPet Dec 2015 #51

How big a military are you willing to pay for? hack89 Dec 2015 #14

Well if people paid attention to MIC busterbrown Dec 2015 #21

If you have an Army, conscript or mercenary, Downwinder Dec 2015 #17

Why? we have enough volunteers as it stands. ileus Dec 2015 #20

Most are poor busterbrown Dec 2015 #26

And if there were a draft, the rich kids would have student deferments panader0 Dec 2015 #46

No and reduce the size of the military by 1/3. alarimer Dec 2015 #23

Bite yer tongue. With the draft, only the 99% serve. People shraby Dec 2015 #24

But perhaps the 99% would begin to listen... busterbrown Dec 2015 #29

It took a number of years and 58,000 dead kids to get the people in shraby Dec 2015 #52

"War is good business so give your son... Doc_Technical Dec 2015 #27

I thought the Draft was a November topic Renew Deal Dec 2015 #28

Now, now, now... EX500rider Dec 2015 #66

All the comments here focus on a military draft... DetlefK Dec 2015 #30

The Talking Heads That Call For War (Mainly The Generals) Have A Conflict Of Interest Going Here.... global1 Dec 2015 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #32

dont encourage them, there some dumb asses out there who thin this is a good idea bowens43 Dec 2015 #33

It is a good idea. busterbrown Dec 2015 #38

That's what we are reduced to? Anyone who was ever drafted or ever subject to the draft knows pampango Dec 2015 #35

I�ll simply state it again. busterbrown Dec 2015 #37

"if the right people were elected." Of course, if the "right" people were elected we would not need pampango Dec 2015 #39

there will always the threat of War. busterbrown Dec 2015 #40

And who trusts our MIC to administer a "fair and balanced" draft to respond to the threat of war?n/t pampango Dec 2015 #42

And what I�ll continue to claim busterbrown Dec 2015 #44

Claim away. I am not satisfied with a policy that requires 50,000 lives to stop a war. n/t pampango Dec 2015 #45

unfortunately there are not many solutions from busterbrown Dec 2015 #50

When has that EVER happened? NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #54

Fuck that. Put the parents' OWN skin in the game. You want a draft, great. Old people first. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #56

The old already went through the draft, busterbrown Dec 2015 #58

No, I think anyone who says "lets bring back the draft", they should be first in line. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #60

Unless of course the 1% can get their kids nice, safe, stateside jobs, hughee99 Dec 2015 #65

Right... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #41

Unenthusiastically, I agree with you. grntuscarora Dec 2015 #43

Right and what the people are missing who disagree w/me? busterbrown Dec 2015 #48

what you're missing is, your logic makes even MORE sense if we draft the people most likely to Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #61

I agree.... and add institute a war tax. n/t Hotler Dec 2015 #47

Forgot that one.. Lots of .. busterbrown Dec 2015 #49

No Democrats are publicly advocating for boots on the ground, right? pnwmom Dec 2015 #53

Absolutely. And to make it even better, start with people in their mid-late 60s, and work downward. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #55

No nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #57

Anyone, but the ones in my life.. busterbrown Dec 2015 #59

Please NO...rich and powerful won't let their kids fight. cry baby Dec 2015 #62

Let me guess: You wouldn't be eligible? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #64

Almost a guarantee cemaphonic Dec 2015 #67