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92. same happened with the opening of relations with Cuba

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:43 PM

Dec 2015

<Honestly, it's like a certain segment of the American Left holds the symbolic victory of their ideological views more dearly than the actual quality of life of the people in Venezuela.>

some comments about how things will get "ruined" with the investments . with no regard for actual lives of the people who live there and how tough things have been for them.

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In Venezuela, the 1% won yesterday-there's nothing else you can say. [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2015 OP

. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #1

Wrong, the people won, GGJohn Dec 2015 #2

The people can't actually be happy that a Thatcherite agenda is now going to be imposed.. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #5

I'm happy that the people of Ven. got to choose who they want without violence or fraud. GGJohn Dec 2015 #7

The people of Venezuela got to choose who they wanted without violence or fraud Ken Burch Dec 2015 #8

I disagree, the people will be watching them very closely and will vote them out if they try GGJohn Dec 2015 #10

If the Caprilistas ALLOW another election, that is. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #59

OFFS, GGJohn Dec 2015 #60

Well, it's pretty simple. Adrahil Dec 2015 #83

You are a "strange Democrat". Jim Beard Dec 2015 #11

Why? GGJohn Dec 2015 #13

No, because you walk 'lockstep'.... daleanime Dec 2015 #28

I actually consider myself more of an independent with a liberal bent, GGJohn Dec 2015 #39

What "Obama Administration's restrictions on currency exchanges"???? COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #15

you really have weird views of what is actually happening there...where do you get your info? snooper2 Dec 2015 #25

There were no "Obama Administration's restrictions on currency exchanges" hack89 Dec 2015 #33

"The Obama Administration's restrictions on currency exchanges did massive damage." EX500rider Dec 2015 #46

When was the last time you had to waste a day to stand in line to buy shadowrider Dec 2015 #53

The toilet paper shortage was caused by the rich hoarding the stuff. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #58

Oh? And just who is claiming that? GGJohn Dec 2015 #61

If it gets them toilet paper and a lower murder rate than Brazil they can (nt) Recursion Dec 2015 #65

The PSUV has had almost 20 years to get it's shit together cheapdate Dec 2015 #3

Pretty much. Bradical79 Dec 2015 #19

Chavez was a demagogue who dilapidated the oil windfall Yorktown Dec 2015 #4

"The people of Venezuela will no longer benefit from their country having oil"? Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #6

Pretty hard to make money on crude oil these days.... Jim Beard Dec 2015 #9

Last I heard, it was at $38.41. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #12

Which means things would be just as bad if Capriles had won the last election. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #16

That's why some Chavistas wanted Maduro to lose. joshcryer Dec 2015 #44

Chavez style socialism destroyed the economy. former9thward Dec 2015 #14

What is your personal experience with Venezuela? Bradical79 Dec 2015 #17

You'll find that to be the case with several prominent COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #71

Good riddance to bad rubbish n/t Godhumor Dec 2015 #18

In Venezuela, people who want to wipe their ass with toilet paper won. Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #20

Privatization at fire sale prices doesn't buy toilet paper. n/t. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #21

It's a little late for that, Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #22

It's not like making deals with China is automatically a moral outrage. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #45

The pillaging of Venezuela has been finished for a very long time Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #66

It can never be progressive to go from socialism to capitalism, though. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #67

Have you been to Eastern Europe? Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #69

That was Stalinism or state capitalism, not socialism in any recognizable sense. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #75

Without the Soviet Union the institutions of Eastern Europe were unsustainable Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #93

Stalinism is just dictatorship, it has nothing in common with the values of socialism. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #94

Left to their own devices they would have been failed states in mere months. Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #100

The ink has been spilled because Stalin's crimes Ken Burch Dec 2015 #105

Their most socialist website is literally... joshcryer Dec 2015 #43

Yep. Any true patriot should cheerfully COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #72

The voters spoke overwhelmingly, and can speak Codeine Dec 2015 #23

That is just awful! elias49 Dec 2015 #57

same happened with the opening of relations with Cuba JI7 Dec 2015 #92

You've badly misunderstood the concept of "freedom" FBaggins Dec 2015 #24

I warned that this would happen bluestateguy Dec 2015 #26

No. they are not allowed to have "western european democratic socialism model" Nyan Dec 2015 #35

"When they try to nationalize their natural resource so they could have middle.... EX500rider Dec 2015 #48

Yeah right Nyan Dec 2015 #62

My point was about 70% of oil producing countries have nationalized their oil.. EX500rider Dec 2015 #63

It's not just about access to Nyan Dec 2015 #64

Elections have consequences. In this case, a large majority of he voters decided that the Chanvezite Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #27

Funny how US government never said that about Chavez government Nyan Dec 2015 #31

Complain to the US Government, not me. The people of Venezuela have spoken. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #34

So did you defend Chavez when they constantly demonize him as being tyrant Nyan Dec 2015 #36

The people of Venezuela elected Chavez. My opinion of him is irrelevant. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #38

Yep Nyan Dec 2015 #29

Examples of "over the top right-wing corporate COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #73

Crickets....... COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #85

The 1% held the country hostage by hording toilet paper. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #30

Once again... "the voters are too STUPID to vote for the candidate -I- like" brooklynite Dec 2015 #32

I have never insulted the voters anywhere. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #47

Bad things happen when you wreck your economy and impoverish your people. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #37

The oil price collapse made the economic crisis unavoidable. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #50

Except their economic problems WAY predate the recent drop in oil prices. EX500rider Dec 2015 #55

Actually no hack89 Dec 2015 #68

You can say the "wrong people" won Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #40

Venezuelanalysis.com PufPuf23 Dec 2015 #41

About venezuelanalysis.com.... EX500rider Dec 2015 #49

Noted. "The site has been favorable to the Bolivarian Revolution and to a Social Democracy" PufPuf23 Dec 2015 #56

Blame Saudi Arabia and U.S. oil production AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #42

Except Venz.'s economic problems predate the current downturn in oil prices.. EX500rider Dec 2015 #51

Exactly betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #54

Maduro really had a run of bad luck - he was born stupid and COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #70

At least he is not an evil greedy bully, like the people who run things now. betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #74

And just WHO do you think is "running things now"????? COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #84

Wallstreet investers and oil oligarchs that funded the opposition. betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #88

You really need to do your homework and learn something about COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #91

Incompetence can be just as bad. Adrahil Dec 2015 #103

Bernie !!!! or we're next . n/t orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #52

Interesting... MrWendel Dec 2015 #76

None of the poor could possibly be happy that social programs will be slashed. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #78

They had... MrWendel Dec 2015 #87

How about the ruling party lost rpannier Dec 2015 #77

I've never said the PSUV were infallible. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #79

I understand and I'm not happy at the results rpannier Dec 2015 #80

Sabotage always wins malaise Dec 2015 #81

Your home country had a horrible experience with that. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #89

At what point should the Bolivarians be held avcountable for failure? Adrahil Dec 2015 #82

At the very least, the anti-Chavista left parties should have formed their own alliance. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #95

Could they have won? Adrahil Dec 2015 #102

They could have taken enough seats to hold the balance of power between PSUV and MUD Ken Burch Dec 2015 #104

Trust me - you can fight back laserhaas Dec 2015 #86

I thank the gods I'm a Mexicanist... a la izquierda Dec 2015 #90

Silver lining: Venezuela Elects First Transgender Congresswoman in the Americas KamaAina Dec 2015 #96

It's something, I guess. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #97

"Too bad she's a right-wing stooge like Caitlyn" EX500rider Dec 2015 #98

Well, her party is in coalition with the right KamaAina Dec 2015 #99

MADuro enid602 Dec 2015 #101