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92. I have some awesome pictures of ancestors holding guns.

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:35 AM

Dec 2015

Mostly for hunting deer and such.

My brother has some of the old family guns, antiques.

My ancestors, just as I do, mocked anyone who carried a gun for "self defense," or thought shooting at the range would be a keen hobby.

What a waste of time, bullets, and money. Yes, guns make people idiots. Even the hunters. Maybe it's lead poisoning.

Someone has probably got photographs of me being an idiot with a gun, but kids and young adults are often idiots, in so many ways. (I was also an idiot with an automobile a few times in my youth.)

I've hunted, and I've also eaten domestic animals I've seen alive: Chickens, pigs, cattle, lambs, rabbits.

That's probably why I don't have any huge appetite for meat, wild or domestic, most especially the "factory farm" crap.

I've also seen people shoot people.

Fucking idiots with guns.

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Guns are useful for defending yourself from a home invasion [View all] AZ Progressive Dec 2015 OP

The hunters always have the advantage. Jim Beard Dec 2015 #1

They are also useful for invading a home Renew Deal Dec 2015 #2

And, kentauros Dec 2015 #3

I read a story today about a man who was shot in his yard CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #4

Why would someone care more about hurting their neighbor than defending themselves? AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #9

Yeah, in today's fuck everyone else society, that sounds about right. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #14

So your life and the life of your family doesn't matter? AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #15

As long as the innocent person who dies isn't from my family, even by my hand, it's all good? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #16

Most people think their lives and their family lives is priority #1 AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #17

I would hope if you killed your innocent neighbor's child.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #18

I do, but weirdly, not at the expense of another innocent person's life Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #53

Here's a question: Straw Man Dec 2015 #21

None of the bullets fired in this incident were in defense. CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #27

I'm not talking about that incident. Straw Man Dec 2015 #41

If someone wants my stuff so badly Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #54

What if they want more than your stuff? Straw Man Dec 2015 #60

Yes, home invasions can result in rape and murder, Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #66

Misconceptions abound ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #70

Okay... Let me try again Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #75

We can play scenario games all day and night ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #83

Yes it is inconsistent too with the argument treestar Dec 2015 #91

What if lightning were to strike? We should all have portable lightning rods just in case. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #127

Science lesson. Straw Man Dec 2015 #131

it's called narcissism Skittles Dec 2015 #25

This whiny shit has gotta end ... Trajan Dec 2015 #76

You seem to have Hollywood slow motion fantasies of the gun violence sort. hunter Dec 2015 #46

This is my experience too: Squinch Dec 2015 #68

Idiots? Straw Man Dec 2015 #86

I have some awesome pictures of ancestors holding guns. hunter Dec 2015 #92

Let's see them. Straw Man Dec 2015 #96

This is my most civilized great grandma and my great granddad. hunter Dec 2015 #113

Thanks. Straw Man Dec 2015 #115

Bottom line is... peace13 Dec 2015 #52

Yep. The neighbor doesn't matter at all. SheilaT Dec 2015 #77

This post right here is why you shouldn't be allowed to have firearms... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #87

Training and education should be mandatory. JonathanRackham Dec 2015 #30

...Unless you happen to be next door or in the line of fire 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #5

Please get your eye dialect straight. Straw Man Dec 2015 #13

I'm guessing you're not a South Park fan. Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #29

No. Straw Man Dec 2015 #39

That's the reference. Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #45

how many home invaders are killed RandySF Dec 2015 #6

You do realize ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #11

Let me rephrase RandySF Dec 2015 #12

Let's see ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #19

These numbers are suspect, to say the least. maxsolomon Dec 2015 #61

Well, here's a fact... branford Dec 2015 #67

Suspect? Straw Man Dec 2015 #71

The reason its suspect is because, the amount of DGUs, on the high end, exceeds the amount... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #88

Unlikely? Straw Man Dec 2015 #90

Considering only a quarter of gun owners live in urban environments, it seems another argument of... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #93

How is that relevant? Straw Man Dec 2015 #95

Most violent crime happens in urban environments, and yes, why not, especially if they feel... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #97

Unlikely. Straw Man Dec 2015 #98

You last assertion is demonstrated to be false, unless most violent crime happens... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #102

Are you claiming ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #104

I linked to the Pew research poll about it, did you fail to read it? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #108

I read it. Straw Man Dec 2015 #117

You are incorrect here as well. Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #122

Again, I ask you ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #125

I'm pointing out that, unless you want to argue that armed people are seeking trouble... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #129

I'm saying that there's no reason ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #130

What percentage would you say go unreported? 10%, 20%, 50%, 100%? Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #132

see my post #61 maxsolomon Dec 2015 #63

That sounds like the improper way to use a gun. Not supposed to draw unless you shoot MillennialDem Dec 2015 #38

Wrong. Straw Man Dec 2015 #40

Well of course not supposed to draw or shoot unless defending - but how often does a person with MillennialDem Dec 2015 #51

It depends on a lot of factors. Straw Man Dec 2015 #59

^^^THIS^^^ valerief Dec 2015 #105

The plural of anecdote is not data. HuckleB Dec 2015 #7

Guns are useless for preventing burglaries, tho jmowreader Dec 2015 #8

The same sort of thing happens in Ohio Maeve Dec 2015 #35

Call it the NRA's darkest secret jmowreader Dec 2015 #62

When I got broken into, they mostly made a mess and actually left some valuable things kcr Dec 2015 #134

How many home invasions have you stopped? tenderfoot Dec 2015 #10

The belief in the right of self-defense branford Dec 2015 #20

Your question is dishonest Orrex Dec 2015 #31

Obviously, the entire point of most of post flew right over your head. branford Dec 2015 #65

Yeah, please gunsplain it to me. Orrex Dec 2015 #74

Well, apparently branford did explain it to you and you didn't like the answer, GGJohn Dec 2015 #79

... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #23

don't gun humpers have a forum? Skittles Dec 2015 #24

That's what yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #58

We like to hump in Guns Discussion. That seems OK by the Mods... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #72

PC Principal here! We don't call them gun humpers. That's disrespectful. valerief Dec 2015 #106

All violent confrontation involves a health risk to both parties Shankapotomus Dec 2015 #26

Here are some points to ponder CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #28

Very little is needed to validate a thought that one is biased to already believe HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #32

As keeping a firearm in my home dramatically increases the chances LanternWaste Dec 2015 #33

anytime lives are on the line guns are useful. ileus Dec 2015 #34

Now post some stories of accidental shootings! Nt Logical Dec 2015 #36

Hint: Google "thought was intruder killed" (without the quotes). Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #37

Nice catch lame54 Dec 2015 #56

Unless this sort of thing is common and frequent in my neighborhood, it's just not worth it. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2015 #42

Our house is the same... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #78

Some people who value youtube videos over scientific evidence. DanTex Dec 2015 #43

Indeed. That's why I keep a loaded 12 gauge handy. NaturalHigh Dec 2015 #44

Guns don't make anyone safer Major Nikon Dec 2015 #47

If you can't defend your home with a shotgun or a bolt-action rifle, tabasco Dec 2015 #48

I think when someone breaks in with a semi-auto... TampaAnimusVortex Dec 2015 #69

I pity people who live in fear. tabasco Dec 2015 #111

I pity people who can't think. TampaAnimusVortex Dec 2015 #120

Interesting. Straw Man Dec 2015 #84

Because they have a place in law enforcement tabasco Dec 2015 #112

Ah, the magic cops ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #116

So non-cowards TeddyR Dec 2015 #126

I'm actually for significant gun control, but I believe in the right to defend oneself AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #49

I lulz'd KG Dec 2015 #50

Guns get stolen from homes by criminals - A LOT lame54 Dec 2015 #55

Everybody dies, it is a given--- Killing is a choice, it is a karmic decision sanatanadharma Dec 2015 #57

".....that lead to ethical-moral failures like killing." EX500rider Dec 2015 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #73

I'm old school, and I prefer that world. There wasn't a concern about getting shot because you rusty quoin Dec 2015 #80

Get an alarm or a dog mwrguy Dec 2015 #81

Not always a solution. Kilgore Dec 2015 #101

I could have almost written your post. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #119

We love living in what is essentially the middle of nowhere Kilgore Dec 2015 #121

So, have to keep them an option for rural people who have little crime kcr Dec 2015 #136

So your argument is basically "rural lives don't matter" ?? Kilgore Dec 2015 #137

"Millions" of gun deaths? beevul Dec 2015 #138

This: wickerwoman Dec 2015 #82

Really? Straw Man Dec 2015 #85

But most guns in homes are far more likely to kill or injure a family member pnwmom Dec 2015 #89

So true edhopper Dec 2015 #123

So are you encouraging people to not store guns safely in the home? Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #94

My weapons are locked up, now. When home, loaded and ready. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #99

So you are a reckless gun owner. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #103

No.nt Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #107

So you do store your guns safely when not in use? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #109

As per #99. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #110

So, you're constantly getting broken into? Wow. I'd move n/t kcr Dec 2015 #135

Nope. And my Truman-era house has not burned, despite insurance. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #139

Ready for what? Are you expecting an invasion leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #141

"Ready:". For use. I don't require a resume or portfolio for B&E punks... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #142

Refreshing to see a reasonable post. Hopefully, many more to follow in GD. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #100

Your basic shotgun or hunting rifle will do just fine for 99.999% of all home invasion type Downtown Hound Dec 2015 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Dec 2015 #118

One less bad guy in N. St. Louis County today. pintobean Dec 2015 #124

Why is this in GD? I thought there was a dedicated toile... errr... home for this stuff. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #128

Yep, such cherry picking is definitely effective to convince people kcr Dec 2015 #133

They are also useful for killing sentient creatures, regardless of place, time or context. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #140