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In reply to the discussion: I hope we have a lot of trolls here at DU. [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)176. That is NOT what happened in 2000.
Gore lost 5-4 in the Supreme Court....the ONLY votes that counted.
The posters above make an appeal to "principle".
THESE are MY "principles":
FDR Economic Bill of Rights
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be[font size=3] established for allregardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
[font size=3]America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.[/font]
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
[font size=3]America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.[/font]
Please note that the above are stipulated as Basic Human RIGHTS to be protected by our government,
and NOT as COMMODITIES to be SOLD to Americans by For Profit Corporations.
When a politician moves TOWARD those principles, I will support them.
When a politician moves away from those principles, they lose my vote.
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
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For all the drama that's happening here between Bernie and Hillary fans...
backscatter712
Dec 2015
#170
I will vote for Bernie in the primary, I will vote my conscience in the general. I will NOT
peacebird
Dec 2015
#2
Actually you have it wrong. I do not think I will be fine either way, I am sure that neither
peacebird
Dec 2015
#225
It didn't take long at all for a little bird to fly by and crap on your thread. I'm sorry.
MADem
Dec 2015
#11
I'm in California. Trump has insured that no Republican will win here in 2016.
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#202
And you would live with enabling a Supreme Court entrenching corporate and reactionary power
Arneoker
Dec 2015
#97
I don't think you recognize that people are getting sick of being manipulated but the 1%.
rhett o rick
Dec 2015
#69
You exemplify just how bad it's gotten in this country. The normalization of total domination
rhett o rick
Dec 2015
#167
Forgive my passion but at some point we must draw a line and fight. Sanders may not be
rhett o rick
Dec 2015
#179
Thanks. And yes I understand but I am getting scared. The farther we slide down this slope into
rhett o rick
Dec 2015
#201
Hillary loses and Ted Cruz wins. Dems will not think they have to move to the left to earn votes
kcr
Dec 2015
#210
You can shake your finger all you want but those that decide to stay home will do so becaue they
rhett o rick
Dec 2015
#212
But all we have to do to make sure that none of that happens, is to support a candidate
rhett o rick
Dec 2015
#234
That's why I support Bernie. But I will also vote to make sure a Repub, especially one like Trump
kcr
Dec 2015
#235
I beleive that Bill and Hillary Clinton do not give a crap about me and that started in the
DhhD
Dec 2015
#118
What a load of crap! Yeah. If you mislead people about single payer they will turn against it.
Enthusiast
Dec 2015
#131
thank you. Given that Senator Sanders positions on issues come the closest to the way most ordinary
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2015
#166
People who live in solidly blue states can vote for whoever they feel like without fear.
eggplant
Dec 2015
#47
Convictions and principle are indeed, rather inconvenient to the political process.
LanternWaste
Dec 2015
#104
Speak for yourself. This Bernie supporter wishes others would actually listen to him.
kcr
Dec 2015
#221
do you really think the Dems will move more left if Hillary loses to Trump?
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2015
#185
Indeed... and historically the Dems have moved more right when they lose elections
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2015
#240
Not so much trolls as 'campaign season invective'. It's a lot like the old WoW forums.
Shandris
Dec 2015
#3
It's not the votes of the rather collegial senate at issue--it is who does the nominating.
MADem
Dec 2015
#13
So, those same Dems would have voted for Scalia, even if there was no Scalia nominated?
kcr
Dec 2015
#232
they may be around once Hillary wins the nomination but I doubt too many of them will stick around..
AlbertCat
Dec 2015
#27
The party cannot continue to move to the right and expect liberals to stay with it
Doctor_J
Dec 2015
#22
Fully capable of holding my nose and voting. Had a lot of practice. Hopefully, I won't have to this
Hiraeth
Dec 2015
#28
The problem with Hillary Clinton is that she is the fulcrum of a deeply divided Democratic Party
PufPuf23
Dec 2015
#31
I support the Democratic party candidates. Hell, I'd support more of them. Show folks who we are.
L. Coyote
Dec 2015
#36
If you define a troll as someone that never posts anything substantive about issues
rhett o rick
Dec 2015
#72
If enough people do that, then maybe the party establishment is pushing the wrong candidate on us.
frylock
Dec 2015
#171
And again, you miss the point. You view this as a chance to get back at the party
ecstatic
Dec 2015
#203
The only ones who say they won't vote for the Democratic nominee whoever it is, are irrelevent
still_one
Dec 2015
#80
The same reason you're posting in this thread. The same reason anyone posts anything anywhere
kcr
Dec 2015
#219
Oh yes. Definitely some gop trolls on this board stirring up meme like Bernie supporters not voting
applegrove
Dec 2015
#81
I think what HRC needs to worry about, if she is the nom, is the growing # of left independents
aikoaiko
Dec 2015
#161
It implies itbecause otherwise white liberal middle class males would support HRC
aikoaiko
Dec 2015
#237
Don't confuse hoping they win the Republican nomination with hoping they win the election.
briv1016
Dec 2015
#164
she will support justices that support women's rights, that is for sure. If nothing else, that is
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2015
#186
Let's say you're right and it's a maybe. I would take my chances with maybe over definitely not.
kcr
Dec 2015
#218
I am also supporting Bernie, and I will vote for Clinton if she's the nominee.
stillwaiting
Dec 2015
#182
I cannot see how Hillary is anywhere close to how bad the GOP is these days.
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2015
#187
I will vote for Bernie. I am done being the good girl & voting for the lesser evil.
peacebird
Dec 2015
#226