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Adrahil

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177. NO.

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:04 PM

Dec 2015

Do not mistake a disagreement with tactics with a disagreement of goals.

I simply do not think Sanders is the candidate for this election. I actually agree with him on many issues, but in my judgement, he would get flayed alive in the general election. I think he doesn't think on his feet well, and he's a bit of a one note Charlie.

And there is no need to argue with me. I know the arguments. I am not convinced. I think he is a great guy and fine man. The people of Vermont are lucky to have him as their Senator. But I think he is a mediocre general election candidate. I just do.

I think Hillary will do well as President. Do I think we'll get everything we want? No. But I don't think Bernie could either, even IF he were elected. The President is not king.

You wanna tell me you think your candidate is better? That's fine. You wanna say I don't care about the 99%? GTFO.

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I hope we have a lot of trolls here at DU. [View all] Atticus Dec 2015 OP

K&R. Hopefully we'll all come together at some point. Laffy Kat Dec 2015 #1

For all the drama that's happening here between Bernie and Hillary fans... backscatter712 Dec 2015 #170

I will vote for Bernie in the primary, I will vote my conscience in the general. I will NOT peacebird Dec 2015 #2

Hopefully, your face will not miss your nose too much. nt Atticus Dec 2015 #4

Pretty sure my nose and face will be fine, thanks. peacebird Dec 2015 #8

Good. Peace to you. nt Atticus Dec 2015 #9

We need to replace that persons vote, since they dont seem to care. randys1 Dec 2015 #153

And that's exactly why you vote the way you do kcr Dec 2015 #209

Actually you have it wrong. I do not think I will be fine either way, I am sure that neither peacebird Dec 2015 #225

It didn't take long at all for a little bird to fly by and crap on your thread. I'm sorry. MADem Dec 2015 #11

I'm in California. Trump has insured that no Republican will win here in 2016. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #202

Unbelievable. MADem Dec 2015 #207

You are so right. Laser102 Dec 2015 #213

If Hillary stands ZERO chance of winning my deep RED state, bvar22 Dec 2015 #247

It really comes down to Plucketeer Dec 2015 #40

and principle include DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #82

Problem with that is Plucketeer Dec 2015 #88

And you would live with enabling a Supreme Court entrenching corporate and reactionary power Arneoker Dec 2015 #97

You mean like how the current SCOTUS TM99 Dec 2015 #102

If we are to follow your advice, what is the long-term outcome? Maedhros Dec 2015 #184

The results of the next election skepticscott Dec 2015 #129

If you are Gay or a Woman or a minority or you are AIR, you are at GREAT risk randys1 Dec 2015 #155

AIR? nt Codeine Dec 2015 #224

You mean the way 200,000 Democrats TM99 Dec 2015 #103

That is NOT what happened in 2000. bvar22 Dec 2015 #176

+1. And Third Way Dems colluded with that. closeupready Dec 2015 #245

I don't think you recognize that people are getting sick of being manipulated but the 1%. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #69

Yeah, leave you psychoanalysis out of this. Adrahil Dec 2015 #98

You exemplify just how bad it's gotten in this country. The normalization of total domination rhett o rick Dec 2015 #167

NO. Adrahil Dec 2015 #177

Forgive my passion but at some point we must draw a line and fight. Sanders may not be rhett o rick Dec 2015 #179

I disagree. But of course I forgive your passion. Adrahil Dec 2015 #200

Thanks. And yes I understand but I am getting scared. The farther we slide down this slope into rhett o rick Dec 2015 #201

Hillary loses and Ted Cruz wins. Dems will not think they have to move to the left to earn votes kcr Dec 2015 #210

You can shake your finger all you want but those that decide to stay home will do so becaue they rhett o rick Dec 2015 #212

And those who stay home can sulk and pout all they want. It won't change the fact kcr Dec 2015 #214

But all we have to do to make sure that none of that happens, is to support a candidate rhett o rick Dec 2015 #234

That's why I support Bernie. But I will also vote to make sure a Repub, especially one like Trump kcr Dec 2015 #235

I beleive that Bill and Hillary Clinton do not give a crap about me and that started in the DhhD Dec 2015 #118

do you think they are as bad as a Republican though? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #241

Concur 40RatRod Dec 2015 #115

Voting for somebody who can't win out of "conscience" is assisting the GOP, pnwmom Dec 2015 #5

Agree, there is no other way to put it JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #33

Won't matter if we all vote for our party zeemike Dec 2015 #46

If you're saying the vast center elects our presidents... JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #91

Bernie Sanders is not a FAR LEFT candidate! Why do you say that? Enthusiast Dec 2015 #99

+1000 To those on the right, he would naturally appear far left. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #121

I think you're referring to what they call "socialized medicine". JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #128

What a load of crap! Yeah. If you mislead people about single payer they will turn against it. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #131

I know it. I'm already sold. JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #140

thank you. Given that Senator Sanders positions on issues come the closest to the way most ordinary Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #166

Well you are wrong about that comparison with Trump. zeemike Dec 2015 #117

That's funny, I was a Nader Trader. eggplant Dec 2015 #49

What you did was fine. But Nader saved his campaigning for the swing states pnwmom Dec 2015 #60

So my point stands. eggplant Dec 2015 #78

It seems you supported the Green Party on election day JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #92

It did. eggplant Dec 2015 #126

If everyone eligible to vote did so... JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #137

I respect your opinion. eggplant Dec 2015 #159

I mutually agree. JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #168

People who live in solidly blue states can vote for whoever they feel like without fear. eggplant Dec 2015 #47

That's a good way for a "solid" state to turn purple or red. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #61

Really? eggplant Dec 2015 #76

Sorry, but the "I live in a solid blue state, so my vote doesn't matter" skepticscott Dec 2015 #130

Thank you for your concern. eggplant Dec 2015 #157

Convictions and principle are indeed, rather inconvenient to the political process. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #104

What if it is Hillary or Trump? brush Dec 2015 #6

Then we are well and truly effed. peacebird Dec 2015 #7

Yeah? Guess what, YOU would be the Gloria Dec 2015 #68

Really? JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #34

No, just wanted to see where the poster I responded to was going. brush Dec 2015 #67

IMO, we are screwed either way. n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #189

I'm with you... raindaddy Dec 2015 #37

You'll be missed around here redstateblues Dec 2015 #64

Probably not so much... raindaddy Dec 2015 #79

+1000 MissDeeds Dec 2015 #41

Why shouldn't you vote your conscience? The Second Stone Dec 2015 #62

Agreed LW1977 Dec 2015 #134

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #174

Same Lorien Dec 2015 #90

I do hope you've done your research Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #190

+1 nt Javaman Dec 2015 #122

Still don't care who you vote for. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #133

And this is why you don't 'get' Bernie supporters zalinda Dec 2015 #151

Most of Hillary's supporters traditionally have been lower MC. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #156

exactly Lazy Daisy Dec 2015 #217

Speak for yourself. This Bernie supporter wishes others would actually listen to him. kcr Dec 2015 #221

If you're not voting for the Democratic nominee... philosslayer Dec 2015 #173

do you really think the Dems will move more left if Hillary loses to Trump? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #185

I agree. I do not get that logic at all. kcr Dec 2015 #211

Indeed... and historically the Dems have moved more right when they lose elections Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #240

Seriously? lark Dec 2015 #188

I plan on doing the same. Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #196

Not so much trolls as 'campaign season invective'. It's a lot like the old WoW forums. Shandris Dec 2015 #3

How about 3 more Scalias? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #10

It's not the votes of the rather collegial senate at issue--it is who does the nominating. MADem Dec 2015 #13

And it makes no difference zeemike Dec 2015 #48

It makes a difference when the nominee is a Sotomayor or an Alito. MADem Dec 2015 #53

Well I would rather have Sanders do the picking. zeemike Dec 2015 #56

That's not going to happen. MADem Dec 2015 #57

That kind of certainty always gives me pause. zeemike Dec 2015 #58

Look, I just have been around for a long time. MADem Dec 2015 #63

Well I have been around a few years too. zeemike Dec 2015 #83

I don't think Sanders wants the job. MADem Dec 2015 #87

Excellent post, MADem. nt brer cat Dec 2015 #93

Make that two excellent posts. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #120

Hope springs eternal for me too zeemike Dec 2015 #114

I agree he seems to be in this more to make a point Jinx Dec 2015 #198

I'll also add that they're hurting Bernie and what he's trying to do kcr Dec 2015 #220

The chief justice does not decide what cases are heard!!!! Progressive dog Dec 2015 #163

Not exactly no. zeemike Dec 2015 #183

Exactly so-"influence in framing the discussion" Progressive dog Dec 2015 #208

Frame it as you will. zeemike Dec 2015 #229

In your imagination "he does decide" Progressive dog Dec 2015 #231

Right, that Citizens United went the liberal way. zeemike Dec 2015 #236

The Chief Justice's importance seems to have disappeared Progressive dog Dec 2015 #242

Not at all, in fact it is the argument. zeemike Dec 2015 #244

It takes 4 justices to hear a case Progressive dog Dec 2015 #248

And the right has 5 zeemike Dec 2015 #250

None of the RW 5 were appointed by Bill Clinton Progressive dog Dec 2015 #251

Thanks for the facts in this regard... haikugal Dec 2015 #16

You make an excellent point. And you made me say WTF? Enthusiast Dec 2015 #100

So, those same Dems would have voted for Scalia, even if there was no Scalia nominated? kcr Dec 2015 #232

We do. onehandle Dec 2015 #12

these people aren't trolls dlwickham Dec 2015 #15

they may be around once Hillary wins the nomination but I doubt too many of them will stick around.. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #27

+1. eggplant Dec 2015 #50

Yes it is..... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #113

Um, no. eggplant Dec 2015 #127

Um yes.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #132

Your concern is noted. eggplant Dec 2015 #158

my concern was not at question VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #160

Amen, Atticus. Hekate Dec 2015 #14

Billboards advertising a certain zoo started to appear about 40 miles away edgineered Dec 2015 #17

Don't feed those trolls. That's what they want. Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #18

GD:P is just training for the main event. wildeyed Dec 2015 #19

K&R ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #20

I still don't get this kind of post Kalidurga Dec 2015 #21

The party cannot continue to move to the right and expect liberals to stay with it Doctor_J Dec 2015 #22

Wrong. The party will not move to the left if it cannot count on its votes. kcr Dec 2015 #223

They will show up to vote for someone who will represent them Doctor_J Dec 2015 #228

What is ridiculous about it? You don't care if Trump is elected? kcr Dec 2015 #230

I'm still waiting... quickesst Dec 2015 #23

Anyone who says they won't vote if Clinton is the nominee says so because cui bono Dec 2015 #26

Amen to that GummyBearz Dec 2015 #38

Illogical quickesst Dec 2015 #52

You say illogical yet you don't point out why. cui bono Dec 2015 #70

Simple quickesst Dec 2015 #94

How about you read up TM99 Dec 2015 #165

Interesting article, but..... quickesst Dec 2015 #192

Think about... TM99 Dec 2015 #195

I couldn't agree more. n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #125

You are completely wrong. cui bono Dec 2015 #24

You campaigned for Adlai Stevenson? Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #25

I did. Atticus Dec 2015 #45

That is damned respectable, sir. nt navarth Dec 2015 #84

Fully capable of holding my nose and voting. Had a lot of practice. Hopefully, I won't have to this Hiraeth Dec 2015 #28

Sadly ... relayerbob Dec 2015 #29

I agree. I know Bernie, rather met him one time but lived in his flamingdem Dec 2015 #30

The problem with Hillary Clinton is that she is the fulcrum of a deeply divided Democratic Party PufPuf23 Dec 2015 #31

not that DUers will be the election's focus MisterP Dec 2015 #42

Of course there are. annabanana Dec 2015 #32

Well, for good or ill, TDale313 Dec 2015 #35

A lot of us from less-populated states have even less voice Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #54

I support the Democratic party candidates. Hell, I'd support more of them. Show folks who we are. L. Coyote Dec 2015 #36

Let's Discuss This Later.. gordyfl Dec 2015 #39

How many of these threads do we need? nt TheFarseer Dec 2015 #43

Apparently, an endless echo chamber of them. eggplant Dec 2015 #51

Until the beatings cause morale to improve. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #150

Supreme Court spanone Dec 2015 #44

yep, move in lockstep! Pharaoh Dec 2015 #55

There are a lot of trolls here, murielm99 Dec 2015 #59

If you define a troll as someone that never posts anything substantive about issues rhett o rick Dec 2015 #72

Oh my, aren't we a ray of sunshine? murielm99 Dec 2015 #86

Thank you for being a voice of sanity.... Gloria Dec 2015 #65

trolls and move right w0nderer Dec 2015 #66

Damn straight Diremoon Dec 2015 #71

Primaries are also where you build a platform.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #73

Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #101

Well stated. frylock Dec 2015 #169

I will vote for a non-repub and a non-Clinton in the GE bigwillq Dec 2015 #74

Not a troll. Not a democrat either. redstateblues Dec 2015 #75

Nah bigwillq Dec 2015 #77

And I live in NC wildeyed Dec 2015 #105

If I lived in red or purple state bigwillq Dec 2015 #110

Why do some of you keep repeating the dangerous meme about ecstatic Dec 2015 #141

If enough people do that, then maybe the party establishment is pushing the wrong candidate on us. frylock Dec 2015 #171

And again, you miss the point. You view this as a chance to get back at the party ecstatic Dec 2015 #203

Let me lay this out for you: I'm not a Democrat.. frylock Dec 2015 #204

Fine, but this is *DEMOCRATIC* underground. FYI. nt ecstatic Dec 2015 #205

The only ones who say they won't vote for the Democratic nominee whoever it is, are irrelevent still_one Dec 2015 #80

The same reason you're posting in this thread. The same reason anyone posts anything anywhere kcr Dec 2015 #219

Oh yes. Definitely some gop trolls on this board stirring up meme like Bernie supporters not voting applegrove Dec 2015 #81

K&R GOTV and let's put an end to GOP stalemate ffr Dec 2015 #85

I will not be bullied into voting for ANYONE. Maedhros Dec 2015 #89

My conscience will direct (or bully, if you will) how I vote Arneoker Dec 2015 #95

My conscience won't let me vote for Hillary. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2015 #144

Ooga booga, must vote hrc or you get worse. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #96

Or you could start developed a more nuanced understanding of the process wildeyed Dec 2015 #106

And BTW, you not voting is part of the plan. wildeyed Dec 2015 #108

Well, I certainly have been convinced that if HRC is not nominated, that... Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #107

Hillary's chokehold on the nominating process is deeply undemocratic. alarimer Dec 2015 #109

They said that about her in 2008 too. wildeyed Dec 2015 #139

My biggest worry are the Dems that won't vote at all bigbrother05 Dec 2015 #111

There are more independents than Democrats eridani Dec 2015 #112

It's interesting, because on the ground here in my home state, the PatrickforO Dec 2015 #116

Amen! JeaneRaye Dec 2015 #119

this thread wins the award for best hyperbole. Javaman Dec 2015 #123

It actually might. wildeyed Dec 2015 #143

also lacks real substance and evidence. nt Javaman Dec 2015 #181

True dat. wildeyed Dec 2015 #194

You are not the problem and I am not the problem...but there is a problem. Hepburn Dec 2015 #124

Okay then.. LW1977 Dec 2015 #138

Whaaaat? wildeyed Dec 2015 #145

Yeah, I planted myself here in 2004 just in case HRC ran for POTUS! Hepburn Dec 2015 #147

Fucking polls and their right-wing bias, right? jeff47 Dec 2015 #154

Try some deodarant. frylock Dec 2015 #172

Yeah- all the down ballot Socialists will be hurt redstateblues Dec 2015 #146

All the down ballot liberals will be hurt. Hepburn Dec 2015 #149

Trolls, anarchists, and one issue (or one candidate) voters ecstatic Dec 2015 #135

Trolls... Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #136

This is the primary. Advocate for candidate. JEB Dec 2015 #142

Given who owns HRC, what makes you think she won't appoint corporatists ... modestybl Dec 2015 #148

I don't take anyone seriously who threatens to sufrommich Dec 2015 #152

I think what HRC needs to worry about, if she is the nom, is the growing # of left independents aikoaiko Dec 2015 #161

If a growing number of the left are petulant, that's a problem kcr Dec 2015 #216

Some may be petulant, others genuinely disenfranchised aikoaiko Dec 2015 #227

How does that imply that Hillary is no better than a Republican? kcr Dec 2015 #233

It implies itbecause otherwise white liberal middle class males would support HRC aikoaiko Dec 2015 #237

100% dpatbrown Dec 2015 #162

Don't confuse hoping they win the Republican nomination with hoping they win the election. briv1016 Dec 2015 #164

Meta! Iggo Dec 2015 #175

Big f'in KnR! Beartracks Dec 2015 #178

Pardon me while I call bullshit on your post. floriduck Dec 2015 #180

she will support justices that support women's rights, that is for sure. If nothing else, that is Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #186

Maybe...unless her 1% pals disagree. n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #191

Let's say you're right and it's a maybe. I would take my chances with maybe over definitely not. kcr Dec 2015 #218

Here's the problem Hepburn Dec 2015 #238

+1000000. I don't trust Hillary. On anything. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #197

I'll raise you 1,000,000 on that! n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #239

I am also supporting Bernie, and I will vote for Clinton if she's the nominee. stillwaiting Dec 2015 #182

I cannot see how Hillary is anywhere close to how bad the GOP is these days. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #187

I absolutely will not vote for Pat Paulsen again and you can't make me! randome Dec 2015 #193

100% agreement!!! wolfie001 Dec 2015 #199

There are also a lot of people who talk madness rpannier Dec 2015 #206

sometimes i can't tell the diff btween trolls and idiots certainot Dec 2015 #215

We're still doing this? Is it just copy/paste at this point? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2015 #222

I will vote for Bernie. I am done being the good girl & voting for the lesser evil. peacebird Dec 2015 #226

Well, i hope you enjoy your last few weeks at DU philosslayer Dec 2015 #246

I think you and the Hillary team are in for a shocking case of deja vu! peacebird Dec 2015 #249

not this shit again reddread Dec 2015 #243