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davidn3600

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13. But do you do that when it comes to Christianity?

Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:54 PM

Dec 2015

You don't let a few radical Muslims define the whole religion...but you do let a few radical Christians define all of Christianity.

A psycho Jesus-freak on his own decides to shoot up a Planned Parenthood, and suddenly the entire Christian religion is to blame for creating the hateful, misogynist atmosphere.

This is the point Dawkins is making. There is a double standard. You are willing to be more lenient when it comes to Islam because Muslims are viewed as an oppressed minority in this country. Even if that is true, you are still turning a blind eye to the misogyny that grips even most of the non-radical parts of the Islamic faith. Neither Christianity nor Islam is very nice to women. Both religions very strongly favor patriarchal control. That's a reality.

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Atheist Richard Dawkins attacks liberals who defend Islam's homophobia and misogyny [View all] davidn3600 Dec 2015 OP

we cannot give these religious ideas a pass edhopper Dec 2015 #1

I always wonder why we as liberals give Muslims a pass on things like this. Makes you wonder. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #101

He actually makes a fair point. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #2

It could be that only one of those things is taking place under the aegis Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #64

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #83

No body gives them a pass on such things. mmonk Dec 2015 #3

Many liberals hold back from criticizing Islamic fundamentalism to the extent it deserves. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #4

+1 840high Dec 2015 #5

+1 FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #15

I have noted some New Atheists had little mmonk Dec 2015 #28

A number of them actively supported it. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #66

Neither of those things is true of Sam Harris oberliner Dec 2015 #70

Not enough time to dig up references to debate this. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #74

From his website: "I think that torture should remain illegal" oberliner Dec 2015 #76

Actually, another poster on here has a far more comprehensive post on this aspect of Harris. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #78

Maybe you could link to it, since you claim it exists. trotsky Dec 2015 #110

"A number"? Marr Dec 2015 #118

+1000 rollin74 Dec 2015 #53

Perfect post leftynyc Dec 2015 #67

It's not a zero sum equation lapislzi Dec 2015 #88

Exactly n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #102

Actually we give all the major religions a pass Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #6

well edhopper Dec 2015 #7

Except when Christian pizzeria owners refuse to cater gay weddings. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #19

Only because the Christian bigot ran Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #44

50,000 posts and new to DU? Democat Dec 2015 #26

That's self serving bullshit. Many on DU issue passes to other anti gay activist clergy as well. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #32

I don't think any DUer is happy with the Pope's view of homosexuality. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #41

The pope is routinely lauded here. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #45

He frowned at capitalism, so he's cool now. Throd Dec 2015 #46

And Barack Obama was routinely lauded even when he opposed marriage equality. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #48

"Despite the fact that..." rather than "because of..." seems to be the relevant qualifier. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #98

I agree. The revolting ability to compartmentalize, Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #103

So we go from serious question about Islam to bashing Catholics. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #104

Actually this whole Pope-bashing subthread kind of proves the OP's point. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #113

And there you issue Francis yet another pass. A mitigation for the facts of his actions and words. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #50

Can you at least praise him for moving in the right direction, Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #55

I knew as soon as you mentioned the Pope you were going to get a taste of your own medicine kcr Dec 2015 #58

I find it amusing leftynyc Dec 2015 #68

It isn't just that he's not 100% in favor of equal rights for LGBT people skepticscott Dec 2015 #112

"Regressive left" LittleBlue Dec 2015 #8

I don't see why we can't walk and chew gum at the same time treestar Dec 2015 #9

But do you do that when it comes to Christianity? davidn3600 Dec 2015 #13

It's not one wingnut causing misogyny and hate in xtianity. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #34

Which country is it leftynyc Dec 2015 #69

Are you fucking kidding me? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #86

That is so freeking weak leftynyc Dec 2015 #87

No I know there are good Christians treestar Dec 2015 #56

Just for the sake of accuracy, it's more like 1.7 billion muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #18

Wahhabi Islam needs to be excised from mosques worldwide Dems to Win Dec 2015 #10

It looks like Richard Dawkins has gone full Sam Harris. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #11

"Liberals support liberal values". Islam isn't very liberal. Throd Dec 2015 #12

+1 FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #16

Liberals don't support blanket hatred against 1.6 billion Muslims. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #20

Well I'm just an "old school atheist" who finds all religion to be silly at best. Throd Dec 2015 #23

I've been an atheist for 40 years. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #27

Dawkins is often correct and always a dick. Throd Dec 2015 #31

I used to like him. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #37

There's no need to pretend that all religions are equally bad, however. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #43

But liberals also do not characterize advocacy for LGBT and women as blanket hatred aginst Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #36

That's one big old straw man. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #51

We are talking about Dawkins. You attack him by quoting others? Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #95

This atheist agrees with you kcr Dec 2015 #59

I'm glad you agree. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #60

Dawkins is nothing but a bigoted hack. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #120

Hatred of stupid, harmful religious beliefs isn't the same as hatred against people. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #82

you don't have to hate people to condemn ignorant mythology snooper2 Dec 2015 #85

Dawkins criticized Islam.. not Muslims in general True Earthling Dec 2015 #52

Here's the thing. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #109

Fuck that creepy, sexist, islamophic jerk mwrguy Dec 2015 #14

No they don't. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #17

Actually some do just that. nt. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #22

Who? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #24

Aren't you like an older white male? Because you are so super wrong about this. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #38

I wouldn't consider the pope a "liberal". Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #39

Who said that he was? I said he's an anti gay activist and gets a pass issued to him by liberals Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #40

I was responding to the OP. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #42

I'm just sick of the subject. So very many people just sound roilingly anti gay to me as they Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #47

As a pacifist, I couldn't agree more. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #49

I've never seen it on DU. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #29

He's right WestCoastLib Dec 2015 #21

Liberals don't defend Islam's homophobia/misogny any more than dictators' repression/torture. pampango Dec 2015 #25

They either ignore it leftynyc Dec 2015 #84

And it's not just ISIS, or the Taliban, either. Archae Dec 2015 #30

Who are these liberals? Deuce Dec 2015 #33

that's what I'd like to know Doctor_J Dec 2015 #80

kick. PM Martin Dec 2015 #35

Organized religion only serves the PTB. Everyone else gets fucked over. valerief Dec 2015 #54

This is useful to remember re Dawkins: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #57

I really like that. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #71

lol, yes. Apply the same model to so many people here, and closeupready Dec 2015 #99

His first name is Richard, not "Atheist". MindPilot Dec 2015 #61

If they didn't put that, no one would know or care who he is or what he thinks. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #79

Richard Dawkins is an asshole who does not speak for all atheists. 6000eliot Dec 2015 #62

^^That Orrex Dec 2015 #114

I have a real problem with liberals who defend... Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #63

sort of agree but calling out the woman hating seems ironic for him to do. JanMichael Dec 2015 #65

Richard Dawkins is 10 years older than his current wife oberliner Dec 2015 #73

Google "elevatorgate". Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #75

I've read about that oberliner Dec 2015 #77

Ageist much? Codeine Dec 2015 #92

Dawkins is right. I agree with him rollin74 Dec 2015 #72

I think Islam and Christianity are horrible as belief systems. I do not Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #81

So when is Dawkins going to condemn Russia's homophobia and misogyny? closeupready Dec 2015 #89

Oh, for fuck's sake. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #90

Snark is all you got? Typical, I suppose. closeupready Dec 2015 #91

Not snark. Disgust. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #97

Okay, great - have a nice day. closeupready Dec 2015 #100

Russian cultural homophobia is to a huge degree a product of Orthodox Christianity which Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #93

But then, he should denounce it publicly, using his own guidebook closeupready Dec 2015 #94

My grandpa was from Northern Ireland and I used to be profiled and deeply interviewed going Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #96

No it's not snark, and you should know my history on DU well enough to know that. closeupready Dec 2015 #105

Yes, us atheists are all baby-eating Communists. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #107

K, you missed the point, but oh well. closeupready Dec 2015 #108

No, we got your point. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #111

No, we didn't miss the point, mr blur Dec 2015 #115

Bye bye! closeupready Dec 2015 #116

modern atheism's motherland. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author philosslayer Dec 2015 #106

Why is nobody calling him '"atheist" author Richard Dawkins'? whatthehey Dec 2015 #117