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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
15. "And of course, who is to define a Moslem (sic)"?
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:11 PM
Dec 2015

Self identification, much like who is to define a Democrat. There are many Democrats that believe wholeheartedly in the values of Republicans and who despise the left as much as Rush, yet they self proclaim and register and are often elected as Democrats.

Another factor to consider is what branch of teachings Muslims subscribe to, as an example Wahhabism is a Sunni branch of extreme fundamentalists that believe that other Religions and even more vehemently other, peaceful and tolerant sects of Muslim groups are not to be tolerated and even executed. Many Shia sects however are the peaceful tolerant types of believers typified by the followers of Al-Sistani, who believe in coexistence and peaceful solutions as taught by Ali (a prophet denied by the Sunni for his "radical" peaceful views). There are also moderate Sunni that do not subscribe to violence so things are quite complex.


I know some Iraqi Americans (Shia) that follow the teachings of Ali and they are quite sincere in beliefs such as helping those in need and feeding those less fortunate, as an aside, Al-Sistani, the Shia leader in Iraq Opened up their most holy mosques to Christians fleeing Daesh in Najif and Karballa and his followers have followed suit and opened their homes to Christian refugees.

To classify Muslims as a monolithic force would be like doing the same with Christians, including Fundies that believe the poor are poor because God hates them and the rich are rich because God blessed them, while also lumping Karesh followers, The Mormons, Baptists, and Catholics. It makes little sense to do so.

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Muslims can't be more than 2% of the American population. Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #1
You can see them on the chart SheilaT Dec 2015 #10
I once a knew a Hare Krishna who seemed quite capable of it. forest444 Dec 2015 #12
you think abuse of wives is something new ? JI7 Dec 2015 #19
No, I never said that. forest444 Dec 2015 #20
the hare Krishnas have always been creepy and cultish with history of sex abuse JI7 Dec 2015 #21
I see. I really didn't know. forest444 Dec 2015 #22
Damn as small a part of the poulation as they are, they did all that? linuxman Dec 2015 #2
Approx 14% of the US population is responsible for the 5173 murders in 2014. pocoloco Dec 2015 #11
14% of 350 million is about 49 million people!!?!?!! rgbecker Dec 2015 #29
I'm intrigued by the huge spikes in that graph. What was it about 2007-8 and then 2012-13?? reformist2 Dec 2015 #3
Presidential election years. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #7
There you go again ... pesky, unfortunate facts. Oh, Mother Jones. Well that accounts for it. libdem4life Dec 2015 #4
I don't even see religious persuation in their source data B2G Dec 2015 #5
color code kpete Dec 2015 #6
In the source data B2G Dec 2015 #8
The graph is a poor way to display this information - hedgehog Dec 2015 #9
"And of course, who is to define a Moslem (sic)"? Dragonfli Dec 2015 #15
I learned something today - "Moslem" is what Babyboomers were taught to use: hedgehog Dec 2015 #17
Yes. Igel Dec 2015 #24
No skin off my nose, it's just a matter of courtesy. hedgehog Dec 2015 #26
the majority of American terrorists azureblue Dec 2015 #13
A few points: George II Dec 2015 #14
911 is completely left out B2G Dec 2015 #16
Good points. This discussion is skirting around the edges of being Islamophobic. George II Dec 2015 #18
The distinction between Igel Dec 2015 #25
Right, and meanwhile Trump is chasing all over the country using those TWO (not one) people.... George II Dec 2015 #28
Break down the shootings that had religion as the primary motivating factor in the shooting. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #23
Re that graph--are they mass shootings globally or just in the U.S.? valerief Dec 2015 #27
Watch out... deathrind Dec 2015 #30
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