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oldernwiser

(52 posts)
20. On the other hand
Wed May 30, 2012, 05:42 PM
May 2012

(Jeez, I love the internet!)

I found this definition:

A conspiracy conviction requires proof that a) the conspirators did indeed conspire to commit the crime, and b) the crime was committed by an individual involved in the conspiracy. Proof of which individual it was is usually not necessary.


Which would say - back-handedly - if it's a crime to beat a child with a wooden dowel or spoon, and if a child had in fact been beaten, and if the beating was inspired by Caminiti, then he would be guilty of conspiracy.

At issue would be whether the true conspirator in this case was Caminiti, or the bible.

It would indeed be conspiracy if I laid out a plan to you to rob a bank, and then you actually did it. But would it necessarily hold that I would be guilty of conspiracy if I read to you a plan from a book and you used that to commit the crime? Maybe...

Conspiracy law usually does not require proof of specific intent by the defendants to injure any specific person to establish an illegal agreement. Instead, usually the law only requires the conspirators have agreed to engage in a certain illegal act. This is sometimes described as a "general intent" to violate the law.


Truly an interesting case.

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They Should Turn The Bunco Squads On These People, Too, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #1
Without more, I doubt this conviction can survive on appeal. Romulox May 2012 #2
I don't know. They convicted him on conspiracy charges cali May 2012 #3
Conspiracy is generally a) agreement to commit a crime; and b)some substantial action in furtherance Romulox May 2012 #4
So you're saying that the judge in this case, wrongly instructed the jury and cali May 2012 #5
Simply not enough information in any of the linked stories. Which is why I said "without more". Romulox May 2012 #6
Here's an action gratuitous May 2012 #11
Right. But your hypo includes both an agreement and an overt action in furtherance... nt Romulox May 2012 #14
The congregants agreed with pastor torturechild gratuitous May 2012 #15
Look, I'm not defending this creep, AT ALL. My interest was whether or not the conviction will hold Romulox May 2012 #16
Actually, there is no mention of him taking ANY action directly oldernwiser May 2012 #19
On the other hand oldernwiser May 2012 #20
The lines between the Christian fundamentalists and the Taliban are growing thinner every day. Initech May 2012 #7
Isn't there this famous Christian who isntructs parents to spank their child? sakabatou May 2012 #8
That's Michael Pearl XemaSab May 2012 #13
That's the person I'm thinking of. sakabatou May 2012 #18
Spare the rod? wendylaroux May 2012 #9
The Presbyterian minister across the street whips his 4 kids. dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #22
Unfortunately, some parents don't know the true meaning of the word 'discipline'. AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #25
No Child's Behind LiberalEsto May 2012 #10
I could never understand ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2012 #12
heh - lucky you! Sometimes, I had to cut the stick off the tree for my own beatings. oldernwiser May 2012 #21
Ohhhh ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2012 #23
I was wondering whether Black Earth was a community or a sect slackmaster May 2012 #17
Alex, I'll take "People Who Make Jesus Cry" for $2,000. nt DCKit Jun 2012 #24
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