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zeljko67

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88. Whats your point...

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 12:56 AM

Dec 2011

I know people and am friends with people who have done unscrupulous acts, and I wouldn't mind giving them a second chance, espically if they agree with me...

Just wondering, Does Doug Bandow's support for the following petition make it some rright-wing conspiracy irrregardless of the other petitioners..or are we just going to keep with the logical fallacy of "guilt by association"?

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/07/05/americans-from-across-the-political-spectrum-call-for-end-to-u-s-militarism/

Americans from Across the Political Spectrum Call for End to U.S. Militarism

Among the signers are:

Doug Bandow, Former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan

Robert Dickson Crane, Richard Nixon’s principal foreign policy adviser, 1963-68, Deputy Director for Planning, National Security Council, 1969

Daniel Ellsberg, Pentagon Papers whistleblower

Michael Kinnamon, General Secretary, National Council of Churches

Rabbi Michael Lerner, Editor, Tikkun Magazine, Chair, The Network of Spiritual Progressives

Tom Maertens, Former Director, National Security Council under Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush

Daniel McCarthy, Editor, American Conservative

Coleen Rowley, Former FBI Agent and one of TIME’s 2002 Persons of the Year

Ann Wright, US Army Colonel (ret.) and former US diplomat

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Thank you. REP Dec 2011 #8

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DANGEROUS MAN. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #10

That's what I say. BlueIris Dec 2011 #13

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Circular arguments... cbrer Dec 2011 #125

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Message deleted by the DU Administrators Celsus Dec 2011 #24

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And you leave a better-looking corpse . . . MrModerate Dec 2011 #28

Common practice in Kentucky under the rule of Paul's son. freshwest Dec 2011 #67

That's like saying the Riddler is more sane than the Joker. nt stillwaiting Dec 2011 #43

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Which puts him firmly on the left wing of the Republican party . . . n/t MrModerate Dec 2011 #27

I am puzzled at the surprise. Mass Dec 2011 #29

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Yeah I don't know zeljko67 Dec 2011 #60

Ummmm, freshstart Dec 2011 #78

I found the info here on a different thread zeljko67 Dec 2011 #81

Actually it does matter. freshstart Dec 2011 #83

Thats silly... zeljko67 Dec 2011 #84

It is not me who is mixed up freshstart Dec 2011 #85

There is no "shadow government" other than the corporate monsters who control the left and right zeljko67 Dec 2011 #86

Those are your opinions freshstart Dec 2011 #87

Whats your point... zeljko67 Dec 2011 #88

Would I put someone on my campaign that assisted a criminal? freshstart Dec 2011 #89

I would... zeljko67 Dec 2011 #90

I am discussing the issues. freshstart Dec 2011 #91

Those are not issues. zeljko67 Dec 2011 #92

I didn't make that stuff up. freshstart Dec 2011 #93

See what I mean.. zeljko67 Dec 2011 #94

all pro-ron Paul freshstart Dec 2011 #95

Why would you say that? zeljko67 Dec 2011 #100

who runs anti-war? freshstart Dec 2011 #102

Unfrickenbelievable zeljko67 Dec 2011 #107

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Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #121

Aah... cbrer Dec 2011 #127

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