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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts) Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:28 PM Dec 2015

Halt to San Jose kindergartners’ Santa visit angers parents [View all]

A planned kindergarten field trip to sit on Santa’s lap has evolved into a name-calling, less-than-jolly brouhaha and a parent walkout in a San Jose school district.

The uproar started when a parent questioned the annual Sartorette Elementary School trip to a cafe to see Santa and drink hot chocolate.

School officials suspended the outing, according to media reports, resulting in loud complaints from other parents who said the opinion of one mom shouldn’t have superseded the wishes of others who supported the trip.

Parents on both sides of the debate spoke at a Thursday meeting of the Cambrian School District board meeting, but since the issue wasn’t on the agenda, no action was taken.

Then on Friday, 20 to 30 parents pulled their kids out of school and marched them to the cafe-sitting Santa anyway, in defiance of what many saw as a skirmish in the war on Christmas.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Halted-kindergarten-trip-to-Santa-s-lap-ignites-6708108.php

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Halt to San Jose kindergartners’ Santa visit angers parents [View all] Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 OP

So now the PC Police are attacking Santa? What the serious fuck??? Initech Dec 2015 #1

public schools should not be promoting religion nt msongs Dec 2015 #2

The church of Santa Claus? Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #3

Santa is indeed an icon of Christmas which happens to be a Christian religion. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #120

Santa is a religion? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #4

Yes, I remember the Zoroastrian story about how Santa Claus ascended the Tree of Life and... Shandris Dec 2015 #7

You are correct, that did not happen this way nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #10

I note that the historic St. Nicholas had no reindeer, no outfit, no white beard, no... Shandris Dec 2015 #79

Yes there is nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #80

You presume much. I'm not Christian. I was RAISED Christian, and there's a wealth of difference. Shandris Dec 2015 #84

Forgive me nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #86

Since when did Santa Claus become a religion? GGJohn Dec 2015 #8

SInce he was based on a Christian Saint.... Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #12

Santa Claus is based on a Christian Saint? GGJohn Dec 2015 #22

You really didn't know that? Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #31

I swear I didn't know that. GGJohn Dec 2015 #35

Its all good, but there really isn't anything 'PC' about not doing religious stuff during.... Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #38

Well, when you put it that way..... GGJohn Dec 2015 #42

I was raised in that era too but treestar Dec 2015 #74

The RCC dumped him along with St. Valentine and a few others Warpy Dec 2015 #48

Up on the roof top click, click, click. Down through the chimney with good Saint Nick. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2015 #122

Sounds very familiar, GGJohn Dec 2015 #123

He's based on a hodgpodge of myths and figures zigby Dec 2015 #94

Oh for fucks sake... Santa Claus is as religious as the Coca-Cola polar bears Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #57

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #72

He is part of the religious tradition treestar Dec 2015 #73

Most of western civilization came out of the christian tradition Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #88

i just had coffee with my hindu friend zigby Dec 2015 #96

I'm just amazed at what constitutes a field trip nowadays n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #5

I thought the same thing Skittles Dec 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Shandris Dec 2015 #6

Not surprising that 'microagressions' become a problem when they hit college. kiva Dec 2015 #9

Hell, I remember getting a letter from the principal packman Dec 2015 #11

That's a completely different issue. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #75

Yes, it's okay for kids to feel left out. Igel Dec 2015 #16

Being left out is fine, having religious stuff go down in public school is not. Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #21

The distinction between culture and religion is a non-existent one. Igel Dec 2015 #89

You seriously are comparing kindergarden nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #90

Smartest post on this thread. zigby Dec 2015 #98

the ol' "I'm bald, everyone else must shave" routine? MisterP Dec 2015 #24

I disagree with this. I remember growing up Jehovah Witnesses would not even salute the flag and Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #29

I'm thinking you meant to respond kiva Dec 2015 #45

Sorry, small screen and big fingers. Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #49

... kiva Dec 2015 #67

As a Jewish parent of a Jewish child, I applaud this mother. Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #13

Yes, because a fat man saying "Ho ho ho" would cause any Jewish child to question his faith. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #18

You obviously don't get it Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #19

I like to expose my daughter to cultural traditions outside those of our own family. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #23

That's fine and dandy, do it on your own time, not in public school. Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #25

Instead of one day of presents they get eight *crazy* nights, Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #30

No. They don't. That was an SNL character. nt Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #32

Darn Wikipedia wrong again. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #37

Yes presents are exchanged, but Hanukkah Harry was an SNL skit from the early 90s Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #41

Yes, wiki is wrong nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #81

+1000. GGJohn Dec 2015 #28

I am so glad my kids are out of school B2G Dec 2015 #14

It's been a long time since I was in kindergarten, Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #15

I was thinking the same thing. Isn't that something you do with mom or dad and they take photos Person 2713 Dec 2015 #54

I grew up in a small farming community. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #68

Ha I have a photo of one of my kids around 1 or 2 looks like Santa is kidnapping him . The fear Person 2713 Dec 2015 #70

My sister brought my nephew to a discount store to see Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #71

Does Santa say "Ho ho ho! Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior!" Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #17

Is he not the personification of an inherently Christian holiday? Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #20

If I was living in Israel, Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #27

Israel being a state founded as a homeland for the jewish people vs America which has the.... Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #34

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion" Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #40

The words "...separation of church and state..." Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #51

It is the establishment clause in the First Ammendment nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #100

Um, no. Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #33

The holiday he represents and the historical figure that he....is Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #36

I am Catholic and know quite well the saint you speak of. Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #39

I see, you are taking issue with my use of the word 'personification'. Feel free to sub in... Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #43

Fuck that, Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #46

Whoa there Blitzen.... Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #50

No, he most certainly DOES NOT Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #52

Again. You are missing the point. Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #53

There are plenty of people who are not Christian who celebrate the holiday Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #56

Yes but meat is not inherently religious and you weren't taken to a steak house by the school on.... Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #58

I thought we already established modern Santa is not really religious. Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #60

You tried to establish that. 'We' did nothing of the sort. Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #62

Scarlett, do you have the vapors? Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #64

Dude.... Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #66

In addition, please trust that I would be just as against having a Seder during the school day. Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #55

And I would be against holding a mass. Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #59

Honestly, I'd be against a 'rousing' game of dreidel during the school day as well. Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #61

OF course it is, you just like being sanctimonious and it fits your argument Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #63

Only one of us is angry here, and let me give you a hint, its the one allegedly filled... Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #65

That dude's beard is nowhere near long enough. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #44

He probably smells of beef and cheese. Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #47

The Cambrian School District. Making students smarter and the world a better place. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #26

I'm so over this PC crap. 840high Dec 2015 #69

Oh, FFS! GoCubsGo Dec 2015 #76

My thoughts exactly. Hepburn Dec 2015 #82

FFS matt819 Dec 2015 #77

What part of the school day does visting Santa fall under? Joe the Revelator Dec 2015 #83

School outings cover all sorts of activities matt819 Dec 2015 #101

Read the Establishment clause of the in the Bill of Rights nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #87

Read the NYC parking regiulations. rug Dec 2015 #91

And do explain to me how the NYC parking regulations relate to the establishment clause nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #92

Perhaps you do not object to a government suspending laws for Purim. rug Dec 2015 #95

Are they doing it for all significant holidays of all faiths? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #97

The test is not whether it is open to all but whether it has a seclar purpose. rug Dec 2015 #102

Nope nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #103

Er, do you realize you bolded "extra-curricular religious "education" programs"? rug Dec 2015 #105

Santa is part of a CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION, which is a RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #107

They're going to a cafe to drink hot chocolate with Santa. rug Dec 2015 #108

Conflating issues nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #109

Here's a shot of another religious service. rug Dec 2015 #112

I am sorry if you cannot understand how this St Nick dude nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #114

"People like you" rug Dec 2015 #116

By the way, the NYC school district started respecting Muslim traditions nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #99

Read the test. Misinformation is worse than ignorance. rug Dec 2015 #104

Alas the Eastern Bunny shoudl also be visited NOT during school hours nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #106

Lol! rug Dec 2015 #110

Yup, ignore the concerns of minorities nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #111

Correcting you is hardly ignoring the concerns of minorities. rug Dec 2015 #113

You are the one conflating adults with children nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #115

Actually, I'm correcting you, directly. rug Dec 2015 #117

Keep the illusion nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #118

No, I'll stick with the facts. rug Dec 2015 #119

Your version of the facts nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #121

I have no problem with Santa. longship Dec 2015 #78

I got drunk with Santa once. I'd keep him away from kids too. Glassunion Dec 2015 #85

Sugar AND paganism?! zigby Dec 2015 #93