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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
16. Oh lord. This garbage?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:59 AM
Dec 2015

Sorry AngryAmish, you're falling for some ignorant prejudice that the US has towards other parts of the world.

You know how "Africa" is so often characterized as a single coutnry, represented by crippling poverty and flies crawling on the nose of ab arefoot kid? Yeah, I hope you know that's complete bullshit, right?

So too with the image of Arabs as these backwards tribal primitives who run around the desert, screaming about shit and being manifestly "unready" for even the concept of nation-states, much less democratic governments. it's been a handy prejudice, given our interaction with Arab states in the last eighty years.

Syrians have a very strong national identity. Probably the second-strongest among the Arab states, after Egypt - and for much the same reason, Syria has a national history that predates the written word. Yeah, a civil war engenders societal breakdown. But it's not "they don't see themselves as citizens of countries" it's that "holy shit we're getting killed who can I run to that won't kill me."

This was the basic ignorence that caused first thinking invading Iraq was create a grateful Iraqi people. Nope. It also led the US to back the Arab Spring. How did that work out?


No, the problem with Iraq wasn't the Iraqi people - goddamn, victim blame much? The problem with iraq was the fucking fact that we invaded Iraq.

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smh merrily Dec 2015 #1
in the meantime, keeps dropping them bombs in the name of regime change, worked so well in iraq and KG Dec 2015 #2
Russia is dropping a lot more bombs than we are, but please continue... Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #24
the neocons’ dream of Syrian “regime change,”??? Yorktown Dec 2015 #3
We've seen this movie before with Saddam and Gadaffi. It doesn't end well. It just unleashes CJCRANE Dec 2015 #5
Different issues Yorktown Dec 2015 #9
The rebels in Benghazi were armed terrorists. CJCRANE Dec 2015 #10
No. The rebels were the civil society Yorktown Dec 2015 #11
We didn't really help the Libyan people in that regard Scootaloo Dec 2015 #17
"The people of Syria" do not exists. AngryAmish Dec 2015 #12
Not true in the case of Syria Yorktown Dec 2015 #13
Many sunni do not want a salafist dictator Cayenne Dec 2015 #20
Bachar propped the Salafis among hiis opponents so there would be two bad choices Yorktown Dec 2015 #25
Oh lord. This garbage? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #16
Being tribal does not mean primitive. AngryAmish Dec 2015 #18
But the statement is untrue, when used to describe Syrians Scootaloo Dec 2015 #21
You just said something really dumb Scootaloo Dec 2015 #15
Anyone who would vote against Assad is either a refugee or dead. joshcryer Dec 2015 #4
Not so. For better or worse, Assad is the only protector of religious minorities there eridani Dec 2015 #6
I don't disagree. joshcryer Dec 2015 #8
Is this a job for Jimmy Carter? If anyone could figure out a way to do a fair vote-- eridani Dec 2015 #26
The hypocrisy is stunning. We are using islamist mercenaries funded by absolute islamic monarchies CJCRANE Dec 2015 #7
USA has no right to deny any Syrian politician from the Syrian ballot. delrem Dec 2015 #14
The dictators of the world owe him a debt for the "Assad gambit" for dictator longevity. pampango Dec 2015 #19
The sad truth is that democracies in the Middle East are too weak to oppose Islamists LittleBlue Dec 2015 #22
Please post your daily Assad apologia somewhere else... Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #23
People who think that knocking off dictators is a good idea should be ever so proud-- eridani Dec 2015 #27
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