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Igel

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26. We have always had safe spaces.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:26 PM
Dec 2015

They're called "homes."

We used to have safe spaces called "social clubs," where you could pick and choose who's going to be there. Same for schools and colleges.

What's new is demanding safe spaces in public spaces because some safe spaces do not yield as much money or prestige. This amounts to exerting hegemony and control over public behavior by others in spaces that used to be a commons, essentially ideologically privatizing the formerly public space. Some groups can be criticized in safe spaces; some cannot. Some speech is free; some is not. I've seen "safe spaces" in which some speech is all but coerced--it's a kind of ideological loyalty statement before saying something that might be understood as dissent, to blunt or defang it and provide cover against pariah status. It's an exercise of power to define what can and cannot be criticized and impose that definition on others.

Safe spaces, anti-blasphemy laws, and criminalization of anti-societal political speech are close cousins and all reflect a kind of totalitarian impulse. Nobody thinks they're doing bad things; but few totalitarians worth their salt have told the masses, "I'm doing this because, frankly, I like filet mignon and raping women with impunity, screw you." Usually the rhetoric is, "I'm doing this for your good, for the public good," and usually they believe it. Often the result of giving the powerless power over authoritarians is just a kind of enhanced totalitarianism--they learn their lessons, and enhance and expand their range of application while calling their worse version of oppression "good." Evil almost always shows up saying it's the good guy and there to help.

I've even heard calls for "safe space" neighborhoods, where you get redlining and restrictions on what cultural traits can be expressed so as to leave the way open for other cultural expressions. "This neighborhood has reflected ______ values for 70 years, and that must be continued without change" is fine if it's Latino or African-American, but one area 15 miles away in the same megalopolis that still celebrates its long-standing German heritage is called upon to reduce that in favor of a more "diverse" cultural expression. By "diverse" they do not mean Polish or Turkish. They treat cultural celebration as a zero-sum game, and want the resources by the German-heritage groups to be expended on their behalf, they want not just to share the stage but to liberate the stage.

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So what spaces should be unsafe? Kalidurga Dec 2015 #1
You grasp that this is not about physical safety, right? cali Dec 2015 #46
Yes Kalidurga Dec 2015 #50
I see nothing wrong with safe spaces. Never have. To the contrary, they may even be necessary. merrily Dec 2015 #2
We have always had safe spaces. Igel Dec 2015 #26
"Safe spaces" are just like tables in a break room or cafeteria Hortensis Dec 2015 #37
I can understand the utility of a safe space both for dialogue or insulation JackInGreen Dec 2015 #3
The last couple of issues of the National Review have had ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #10
Agree with the last. There's a lot of frustrated complaining here Hortensis Dec 2015 #41
I Find it interesting that on this website the subject of the "Economy"... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2015 #4
lol! LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Dec 2015 #7
In a world... bluestateguy Dec 2015 #6
In a world... Lordquinton Dec 2015 #9
Because they can't step off campus ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #11
They are so entitled Lordquinton Dec 2015 #15
When I was reading a National Review article ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #17
Look at their response to Starbucks not having "Merry Christmas" on their cups Lordquinton Dec 2015 #19
+1 Person 2713 Dec 2015 #23
+1 too. Hortensis Dec 2015 #42
And look what happens when they are asked marginally difficult questions in a presidential debate. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #35
Safe space are mocked by people who don't need them Lordquinton Dec 2015 #8
Good answer. Tortmaster Dec 2015 #12
On target, Lordquinton. brer cat Dec 2015 #20
+1 Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2015 #33
+1 one_voice Dec 2015 #43
Wow. Nailed it in the 1st sentence. +1 MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #53
There have always been "safe spaces"... TreasonousBastard Dec 2015 #13
I got blocked from a group for inadvertently kicking a thread on that group Fumesucker Dec 2015 #22
LOL. I'm also banned from one for agreeing in Hortensis Dec 2015 #44
I wonder if 50 years ago how many of our ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #14
Sniff... sniff.. I smell the scent of privilige. nt uriel1972 Dec 2015 #16
I think that the people who are offended by "safe spaces" belong to the djean111 Dec 2015 #18
I have great appreciation for the limited... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #21
Nothing wrong with needed safe spaces; plenty wrong with unneeded ones whatthehey Dec 2015 #24
. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #36
They, of course, actually LIKE the "horror and outrage," it's Hortensis Dec 2015 #47
There's safe places and then there's cabal hideouts. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #25
What happens when these sensitive souls go into the real world? LittleBlue Dec 2015 #27
Women's shelter's exist only on campuses? LanternWaste Dec 2015 #31
We aren't talking about domestic abuse cases LittleBlue Dec 2015 #38
If hiring people who stand up for their rights Lordquinton Dec 2015 #34
Nah, I'll pass LittleBlue Dec 2015 #39
And your company should probably be investigated for ethics violations Lordquinton Dec 2015 #45
LOL! You accused my firm of misconduct without even knowing our name LittleBlue Dec 2015 #48
What is your motivation for wanting your employees feeling unsafe at home and at work? Lordquinton Dec 2015 #55
Straw man. They are perfectly safe LittleBlue Dec 2015 #56
DU is nothing but a giant safe space for Democrats. Safe from Republicans. kwassa Dec 2015 #28
Not so safe actually -- not from the anti-Democrat Hortensis Dec 2015 #49
The most open space would be something like a yahoo board treestar Dec 2015 #52
No doubt Bill Maher, Trey Parker and many other white males are baffled by the concept. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #29
They're second cousin of the "Free Speech Zones" that people were annabanana Dec 2015 #30
Those disgraceful "corrals," though, Annabanana, Hortensis Dec 2015 #51
Life is a trigger lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #32
There's a difference between troll free zones and echo chambers. KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #40
I oppose any "Safe Space" defined by any government entity Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #54
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