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In reply to the discussion: Is Chipotle being Swiftboated by Big Food? [View all]NJCher
(43,049 posts)51. naive
To assume there is some monolithic industry with one agenda like this is oversimplifying.
And I think it is a dangerous road to tread because there are enough rivalries and inconsistencies of agendas within things like the food system that clumping them all together essentially nullifies any argument made on the basis of 'big food' or 'big pharma' etc.
I think the problem here is that you're reading into possibly the OP and also my post. Where do you see anyone saying the industry is operating as a monolith? I doubt if anyone seriously thinks they all get together for secret meetings and say, "Let's plan an e coli outbreak at... Chipotle! Yeah, that's it, Chipotle!" More likely it would be a few bad actors who have done this sort of thing before. And yes, they would be in that industry, but not necessarily represent all of it.
The argument you make in the second copy and paste I've put above is naive. It's also factually incorrect. Have you not read of how consolidated the food supply is? I can give you a few books. Try Salt Sugar Fat by Moss of the NY Times. See this link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/dining/michael-moss-food-for-tomorrow.html
In that book, you will find that they do have regular meetings of all the major processed food companies to negotiate strategy on how they are going to deal with threats to their business. And you will read how resistant they were to the message that their time was coming.
You also need to see Merchants of Doubt. Do these people ever know how to influence public opinion.
Do you know who some of the players in Big Food are? Urm, maybe people from the cigarette industry? Phillip Morris bought General Foods and then pulled the old name switcheroo.
But oh nooooo, there wouldn't be anyone in that group who would pull any dirty tricks, is there? After all, they so gracefully accepted the fate of smoking in the U.S. Yeah, they just walked away, tail between their legs, and they would never stoop to sliming anyone. Nosirrreee.
I could go on, but I won't because critiquing written arguments happens to be my job, and I don't need to give you any more free advice. And don't get me started on the jobs I've held in Big Food that allowed me a first hand view into how they manipulate public opinion.

Cher
And I think it is a dangerous road to tread because there are enough rivalries and inconsistencies of agendas within things like the food system that clumping them all together essentially nullifies any argument made on the basis of 'big food' or 'big pharma' etc.
I think the problem here is that you're reading into possibly the OP and also my post. Where do you see anyone saying the industry is operating as a monolith? I doubt if anyone seriously thinks they all get together for secret meetings and say, "Let's plan an e coli outbreak at... Chipotle! Yeah, that's it, Chipotle!" More likely it would be a few bad actors who have done this sort of thing before. And yes, they would be in that industry, but not necessarily represent all of it.
The argument you make in the second copy and paste I've put above is naive. It's also factually incorrect. Have you not read of how consolidated the food supply is? I can give you a few books. Try Salt Sugar Fat by Moss of the NY Times. See this link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/dining/michael-moss-food-for-tomorrow.html
In that book, you will find that they do have regular meetings of all the major processed food companies to negotiate strategy on how they are going to deal with threats to their business. And you will read how resistant they were to the message that their time was coming.
You also need to see Merchants of Doubt. Do these people ever know how to influence public opinion.
Do you know who some of the players in Big Food are? Urm, maybe people from the cigarette industry? Phillip Morris bought General Foods and then pulled the old name switcheroo.
But oh nooooo, there wouldn't be anyone in that group who would pull any dirty tricks, is there? After all, they so gracefully accepted the fate of smoking in the U.S. Yeah, they just walked away, tail between their legs, and they would never stoop to sliming anyone. Nosirrreee.
I could go on, but I won't because critiquing written arguments happens to be my job, and I don't need to give you any more free advice. And don't get me started on the jobs I've held in Big Food that allowed me a first hand view into how they manipulate public opinion.

Cher
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No, I do believe the burden of proof lies in your allegations not my denial.
CBGLuthier
Dec 2015
#11
I "know" that your allegations are pulled out of your ass and based on nothing
CBGLuthier
Dec 2015
#20
So you don't have an answer. You don't know where the contamination started
darkangel218
Dec 2015
#23
It isn't alledged. Multiple Chipotle locations from the East coast to the West Coast have been
still_one
Dec 2015
#6
with fresh food you get the risk of frresh bacteria they kind of go hand in hand
dembotoz
Dec 2015
#16
my experience come from the care of a leukemia patient wife with suppressed immune system
dembotoz
Dec 2015
#26
well, can you prove "big food" executives aren't breaking into Chipotle late at night and
zappaman
Dec 2015
#38
My money is on it being a deliberate punishment and warning about publicly going GMO free.
GoneFishin
Dec 2015
#31
"My money is on it being a deliberate punishment and warning about publicly going GMO free."
zappaman
Dec 2015
#54
Yeah. Funny. As if the dirtbags they would have hired will just come forward and admit that
GoneFishin
Dec 2015
#73
I got some. I was a little early to do it, but I still think they'll come back. McDOnalds had
Squinch
Jan 2016
#104
What the hell is this instant "It's gotta be a conspiracy!" to anything and everything?
Archae
Dec 2015
#41
If it's being swiftboated it's by employees who aren't washing their hands or the veggies.
Vinca
Dec 2015
#45
It could very well of "been made to happen". There's been more nasty stuff done undercover than..
BlueJazz
Dec 2015
#52
You have no skin in this? Have you seen how loaded that language is? I'd say you have a bias.
Nailzberg
Dec 2015
#72
What the fuck is up with this website devolving into a shit place full of conspiracy...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2016
#88
There has been an undercurrent of anti-intellectualism and credulity that's been running through DU.
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2016
#100
I think it's more about confronting the shortcomings in our food safety system
My Good Babushka
Jan 2016
#103
There's no evidence for this theory and it would be about impossible in practice.
Yo_Mama
Jan 2016
#105