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hfojvt

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61. actually I have an advanced degree in economics

Fri Dec 25, 2015, 09:11 PM

Dec 2015

so I know a little about socialism. But thanks for talking down to me anyway.

One thing we studied in the class was - there are a whole bunch of varying definitions of the word.

I do believe, however, that to be able to live together and to cooperate was/is a huge part of it.

Living individualistically has always seemed stupid and wasteful to me. Why should 4 people have 4 TVs and 4 cars, when 4 people can watch the same TV show and when a car spends so much of its time being parked. Why pay for four houses, when you can pool your resources and get a quad plex and share consumer goods?

Especially living as a single person is way too much work, and expense. Logically I do everything around this house, and also logically it is about as much work to shop for one person as it is for two and to cook for one person as it is for two. Things like utilities - trash, water, sewer, electric, those expenses would NOT double or triple if I added one or two more people to this house. I also happen to live in a house that has room (easily) for one more person.

I just don't think it is a horrible thing for people to live together.

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THIS MAP SHOWS THE HOURLY WAGE YOU�D NEED TO AFFORD A 2-BEDROOM RENTAL IN EVERY STATE [View all] Uncle Joe Dec 2015 OP

That number gets cut in half if they get a roommate. nt geek tragedy Dec 2015 #1

That might help in some cases unless you were single and had a child. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #3

Should that be our financial future? JackInGreen Dec 2015 #4

It's not the only kind available. geek tragedy Dec 2015 #5

Not a single person here JackInGreen Dec 2015 #8

Couples, unless they're in a 1950's tv show, also require geek tragedy Dec 2015 #9

The associated costs for "a kid" are enormous, when you factor in daycare Hekate Dec 2015 #49

I suppose I never had my own apartment either. That's because I married JDPriestly Dec 2015 #15

People have roommates when they're young and single, and then transition geek tragedy Dec 2015 #16

Oh my. I really like my books, and they multiply in the dark. There's the bare basics... Hekate Dec 2015 #51

I always thought hfojvt Dec 2015 #50

Lets be honest, some of us like privacy n/t AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #55

I guess you were wrong. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #58

actually I have an advanced degree in economics hfojvt Dec 2015 #61

You know what I really came to understand during the whole marriage equality? artislife Dec 2015 #74

I've been places where twenty orthirty people watch the same TV... Human101948 Dec 2015 #78

that sounds pretty bad hfojvt Dec 2015 #79

Yes, but it's not like a 1br is half the price of a 2br. Nor is every available apartment or house a MillennialDem Dec 2015 #33

The 1br/ minimum wage info they show is more relevant nt geek tragedy Dec 2015 #35

The vast majority of rental homes or for that matter for sale homes are 2 bedrooms or more, Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #60

There are many single parents cali Dec 2015 #34

Why stop there. Stack em up 10 to a room and rent is quite affordable. CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #26

Does everyone here live in 6 bedroom mansions? geek tragedy Dec 2015 #27

Indeed, the problem is zoning regulations Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #76

I don't know why people are so obsessed with RENT hfojvt Dec 2015 #48

There is a reason GummyBearz Dec 2015 #64

that only applies to some places hfojvt Dec 2015 #66

You nailed it GummyBearz Dec 2015 #68

I will never own again. KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #84

I can imagine why the average NY apartment might be cheaper DFW Dec 2015 #2

NYC also has rent stabilization. nt geek tragedy Dec 2015 #7

I'm not at all surprised. Thank you for the info, Uncle Joe Proserpina Dec 2015 #6

You could put a roof over your head on $12/hr in Arkansas; you'd be homeless in CA. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #10

But we aren't in Arkansas, not even Hillary is in Arkansas Proserpina Dec 2015 #11

I am sure some folks from Arkansas would take issue with your post. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #12

Anyone who works 40 hours a week should be able to live with dignity. TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #18

I just said you'd be homeless in CA on $12. We need a much higher min. wage in places like LA, NY. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #36

You're right, the problem is we can't get enough Dems, let alone Repugs to agree, TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #40

What a condescending post. You actually think people are living there against their Waldorf Dec 2015 #45

this is assuming you can even find a job... 2naSalit Dec 2015 #13

Note that no state's statistics allow a person to have a two bedroom flat working 40 hrs. longship Dec 2015 #14

The rent is too damn high. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #17

So, you need to make $14.25/hr Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #22

Mine is more than 30% PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #24

$15/hr is the bottom. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #19

Wouldn't you know it... yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #20

Thank you for this post! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #21

Hmm. davidthegnome Dec 2015 #23

Numbers are way off in Florida. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #25

Agree. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #32

Interesting. cwydro Dec 2015 #28

$15/hr is not good enough pengu Dec 2015 #29

Here in Austin rents are approaching SF levels. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #30

I was just going to say that! Texasgal Dec 2015 #38

This is from Playboy magazine? oberliner Dec 2015 #31

The numbers are from Out of Reach. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #37

Thank you, Uncle Joe! Octafish Dec 2015 #39

I just can't believe Detroit fell like that yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #52

The city was run like a corporation, political affilation had little to do with it. Rex Dec 2015 #56

Why do you always attack liberals? Kingofalldems Dec 2015 #69

Well this won't bother those that love the status quo. Nothing bothers them. Rex Dec 2015 #41

Back in the 1970s I rented a two bedroom apartment for $125 a month csziggy Dec 2015 #42

The Oregon figure is crazy low if you live in Portland. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #43

Well wages are stagnant and driven down because cheap labor is so readily available. PeteSelman Dec 2015 #44

Immigration is unregulated because it's good for capital. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #46

Agreed. It must be addressed. PeteSelman Dec 2015 #53

Yup. "Merry Christmas" indeed. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #54

Not a shocker in CT bigwillq Dec 2015 #47

Cost of living in Va wayyy too varied for $21.10 to be meaningful Bonx Dec 2015 #57

Same in Oregon bhikkhu Dec 2015 #62

Those figures could very greatly within the states, for example in Ohio the rent doc03 Dec 2015 #59

All these studies skew market realities by using the 40th percentile price whatthehey Dec 2015 #63

Screwy numbers. Igel Dec 2015 #65

Those would be the below 40th percentile homes I mentioned. whatthehey Dec 2015 #70

I make $18.75 in NY Reter Dec 2015 #67

A bit misleading to average the entire state. Old Union Guy Dec 2015 #71

Why would one person need a two-bedroom apartment? oberliner Dec 2015 #72

84% of all residential structures in the U.S. are two bedrooms or more, not to mention Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #81

There are 30+ million adults in the US who are single with no children and live alone oberliner Dec 2015 #82

That leaves 10 million adults with children and the numbers of two bedroom+ residences Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #83

I have not read through the entire thread. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #73

And we have DU'ers steadfastly opposed to 15. nt. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #75

Playboy? newblewtoo Dec 2015 #77

The numbers in the OP come from Out Of Reach. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #80