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haele

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92. Actually, it is. What about the childern? is the base of a prohabition argument with addictions.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:54 PM
Dec 2015

I know of two families where at least one of the parents are addicted to religion, and in that family, the neglect and abuse those children went through was terrible, as the higher being that is being worshiped was above the health and needs of the family to the parent that ran the family.
In both families, it was pretty much constant neglect -the parent at home let "God" raise the kids, then abused them when those kids (or their friends) didn't live up to the life. In both cases, the parents were recovering physical addicts; they no longer drank, or smoked, or did drugs, but boy oh boy, were they ever addicted to the "high" that worship gave them.

My son-in-law's father isn't "officially addicted", but he's a man-child who neglected (and still neglects) his son (whom he had custody of) far worse than the tweeker I used to work with, who, when she was sober, tried to be the best mom possible for her two children and made arrangements for her mother to take care of them when she couldn't help it and went on a bender.

The 18th Amendment was a single minded attempt to "save the American family" from alcohol addiction by making it almost impossible for adults to get alcohol. And while it did reduce some of the public drunkenness and the amount of public sale, the increase in crime and the criminalization of personal use and consumption of alcohol was not worth the whitewashing of the underlying issues that caused the substance abuse in the first place.

Prohibition, not regulation, legal standards, and rehabilitation was the goal. All in a relatively painless (to the prohibitionists, at least) way to pretend one was doing something about the social scourge of alcoholism without actually addressing alcoholism. Treating the symptom is so much easier.

So, taking your comment seriously instead of talking around it - how do we, by policy, "save the children from neglect" when it comes to dealing with parent who is self-medicating themselves into an addiction, for whatever reason?

Make it harder for the .5% of the population who actually need strong pain relief to function because .02% of the population are in such emotional pain or have issues with the reality they live in and illegally acquire prescription drugs?
Or rather we should embark on a multi-pronged approach that provides safety net (how I hate that term) or rather, builds a safe, nurturing environment, while giving them (the addict and their families) time and support to be able to deal with the underlying issues. Or to identify someone who is just not right with society enough and will never be able to function without altering their own realities?

I've helped and supported too many of my step-daughter's friends, and had to deal with too many addicts and former addicts on the job over the years not to know that simply sighing over the neglected children is not (added on edit) sufficient to solving the problem with addictions.
Those kids usually love their pill-addicted parents even though they're hurting, and I've seen where those parents usually love their kids, even though they (the parents) are not emotionally strong enough to be parents and just can't seem to stop hurting themselves. The sad thing is that most substance addicts know they are weak, and losing out to whatever substance they are addicted to.

Haele

This is such a huge problem in New England. Chemisse Dec 2015 #1
Very big in the suburbs of Texas too. Texasgal Dec 2015 #5
You're welcome. elleng Dec 2015 #6
It's hard to imagine any family NOT being impacted by this, Chemisse Dec 2015 #33
Right. elleng Dec 2015 #34
+1 Agschmid Dec 2015 #81
They'll undoubtedly do everything but the right thing Warpy Dec 2015 #2
+1000 nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #7
Yes. Mariana Dec 2015 #11
I agree. LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #53
there are ample pain meds out there without handing out the massively addictive ones. trillion Dec 2015 #55
They're not lobbying doctors to dispense LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #56
First, you are conflating dependence and addiction. They are vastly different Warpy Dec 2015 #86
Thank you for this intelligent rebuttal. closeupready Dec 2015 #91
Totally agree. n/t Butterbean Dec 2015 #72
Ever since we invaded Afghanistan heroin is more plentiful and cheaper than ever. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #3
Who ever thought this might be a problem? Downwinder Dec 2015 #15
That's it exactly libodem Dec 2015 #20
Wouldn't be Gary Webb’s “Dark Alliance?” Downwinder Dec 2015 #22
That's it exactly libodem Dec 2015 #32
Always intrigued me: Downwinder Dec 2015 #40
It has always been the civilian contractors (CIA) with their own planes and transportation LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #76
The crackdown on prescription pills has caused many addicts to switch to heroin and meth Kaleva Dec 2015 #48
Bingo! B Calm Dec 2015 #50
The new rules are a burden libodem Dec 2015 #79
I'm caring for a 10 month old 'cause the parents are pill addicts Kaleva Dec 2015 #80
You are a truly beautiful person libodem Dec 2015 #82
Yes. It's one of the roots of this crisis, it deserves some discussion Dems to Win Dec 2015 #30
Curse of unintended consequences... hunter Dec 2015 #4
Right, and some have pretty good approaches to dealing with it, elleng Dec 2015 #8
But the States with Medical Marijuana access have already cut opiate overdoses by 25% and Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #10
'rants about over prescribing and churches?' elleng Dec 2015 #13
Yes. He ignores the progress being made already by many States entirely and his solutions are Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #60
I am in a state with medical marijuana access Chemisse Dec 2015 #38
MA is about to hit your second anniversary with medical marijuna. CA is at 18 years. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #63
That is really remarkable! Chemisse Dec 2015 #67
My husband just got his medi-mari card and uses topicals, not ingestable. haele Dec 2015 #83
That is interesting about topical cannaboids. Chemisse Dec 2015 #87
meanwhile people suffering from chronic debilitating pain are denied adequate treatment zazen Dec 2015 #9
There has to be some reasonable balance loyalsister Dec 2015 #27
It's just not humane to make it hard for people who suffer pain every day Chemisse Dec 2015 #35
Sadly, the addicts often have children who suffer terrible neglect JNelson6563 Dec 2015 #47
hmm lancer78 Dec 2015 #77
Perhaps not, maybe we should try it. JNelson6563 Dec 2015 #89
I am a big believer in self-medication lancer78 Dec 2015 #93
England use to years ago, but they stopped doing it because they were creating a nation of junkies frankieallen Dec 2015 #95
Problem with addictions are - is it the personality or the drug that triggers it? haele Dec 2015 #84
All very interesting but irrelevant to my comment. JNelson6563 Dec 2015 #88
Actually, it is. What about the childern? is the base of a prohabition argument with addictions. haele Dec 2015 #92
It was a somewhat flippant remark JNelson6563 Dec 2015 #94
So patients with chronic pain get sacrificed in this latest war on drugs? kiva Dec 2015 #12
That frightens me. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #21
I support O'Malley.. one_voice Dec 2015 #24
these laws affect me getting Percoset to deal with my shingles....and it barely helps... CTyankee Dec 2015 #68
This warms me to the idea of decriminalization of opioids loyalsister Dec 2015 #28
Some addicts around where I live pick at their gums causing sores... Kaleva Dec 2015 #49
I recall not long ago, states cured Meth addiction by limiting MerryBlooms Dec 2015 #64
It is customery in the US to make sure that those in need suffer as much as possible. Mnemosyne Dec 2015 #75
The real crisis is that the sick and the dying go without adequate treatment for their pain. LeftyMom Dec 2015 #14
Puritanical, for sure. Like suffering needlessly will increase the odds you are admitted to heaven. hunter Dec 2015 #16
A woman I knew had two separate terminal cancers, a bad heart and brittle diabetes. LeftyMom Dec 2015 #17
Yep. hunter Dec 2015 #19
scary. and insane. i worry about just that thing happening to me. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2015 #42
Aw jeez. laundry_queen Dec 2015 #46
yep. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2015 #44
Isn't that why we spent so much time with so many troops in Afghanistan? nt valerief Dec 2015 #18
Somebody has to mule that stuff. LeftyMom Dec 2015 #25
Over the past 3 yrs loyalsister Dec 2015 #23
And about 88,000 Americans die from alcohol abuse each year, O'Malley promotes breweries and Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #66
That's a fair point loyalsister Dec 2015 #70
The internet if full of photos of Marty drinking. 88,000 deaths a year. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #71
Thanks for posting Omaha Steve Dec 2015 #26
You're welcome, Steve. elleng Dec 2015 #36
Let's start by eliminating the drug laws. jhart3333 Dec 2015 #29
agreed. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2015 #43
My 14yo grandson informed me yesterday that someone died of a heroin od in the house across the Mnemosyne Dec 2015 #31
There is a huge problem in PA. blue neen Dec 2015 #37
I can barely stand to drive through town, always see at least one or two and there is no mistaking Mnemosyne Dec 2015 #73
This is what happens when you place public health in the hands of organized crime. leveymg Dec 2015 #39
It's ryan_cats Dec 2015 #41
It is much exaggerated. And many duers are clueless about severe chronic pain cali Dec 2015 #45
Cannot agree enough REP Dec 2015 #90
It's been a huge problem for a long time Lee-Lee Dec 2015 #51
it's made it tough to get pain meds for those who need it Marrah_G Dec 2015 #52
Huge problem in Seattle too. 4 out of 6 of my nieces and nephews have fallen into this - all trillion Dec 2015 #54
Unfortunately, as long as the pharmaceutical ... Whiskeytide Dec 2015 #57
We live 3 miles from the Interstate highway known as the "heroin highway." Vinca Dec 2015 #58
There has been an epidemic in Eastern Kentucky for more than 20 years. kentuck Dec 2015 #59
What is the link with Afghanistan??? malaise Dec 2015 #61
When people experieng severe fredamae Dec 2015 #62
A moment of irony: Alcohol causes about 88,000 preventable deaths each year. Marty promotes alcohol Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #65
you'll hear it again from me first, the poppies are grown in the USA, Canada & Central America Sunlei Dec 2015 #69
Make a law. Make a business. Octafish Dec 2015 #74
I know someone lancer78 Dec 2015 #78
Legalize all the things. TalkingDog Dec 2015 #85
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