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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
13. They are soooo ungrateful.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:01 PM
Dec 2015

It's sad.



[font size="4"]There Is "No War on Terror"[/font size]

by Edward S. Herman and David Peterson

One of the most telling signs of the political naiveté of liberals and the Left in the United States has been their steadfast faith in much of the worldview that blankets the imperial state they call home. Nowhere has this critical failure been more evident than in their acceptance of the premise that there really is something called a "war on terror" or "terrorism"[1]-however poorly managed its critics make it out to be-and that righting the course of this war ought to be this country's (and the world's) top foreign policy priority. In this perspective, Afghanistan and Pakistan rather than Iraq ought to have been the war on terror's proper foci; most accept that the U.S. attack on Afghanistan from October 2001 on was a legitimate and necessary stage in the war. The tragic error of the Bush Administration, in this view, was that it lost sight of this priority, and diverted U.S. military action to Iraq and other theaters, reducing the commitment where it was needed. __Of course we expect to find this line of criticism expressed by the many former supporters who have fled from the sinking regime in Washington.[2] But it is striking that commentators as durably hostile to Bush policies as the New York Times's Frank Rich should accept so many of the fundamentals of this worldview, and repeat them without embarrassment. Rich asserts that the question "Who lost Iraq? is but a distraction from the more damning question, Who is losing the war on terrorism?" A repeated theme of Rich's work has been that the Cheney - Bush presidency is causing "as much damage to fighting the war on terrorism as it does to civil liberties." Even in late 2007, Rich still lamented the "really bad news" that, "Much as Iraq distracted America from the war against Al Qaeda, so a strike on Iran could ignite Pakistan, Al Qaeda's thriving base and the actual central front of the war on terror."[3]

Other expressions of faith in something called the "war on terror" abound. Thus in a long review of several books in which she urged "[r]evamping our approach to terrorism" and "recapturing hearts and minds" around the world, Harvard's Samantha Power, a top lieutenant in the humanitarian brigade, wrote that "most Americans still rightly believe that the United States must confront Islamic terrorism-and must be relentless in preventing terrorist networks from getting weapons of mass destruction. But Bush's premises have proved flawed."[4] Most striking was Power's expression of disappointment that "millions-if not billions-of people around the world do not see the difference between a suicide bomber's attack on a pizzeria and an American attack on what turns out to be a wedding party"-the broken moral compass residing within these masses, of course, who fail to understand that only the American attacks are legitimate and that the numerous resultant casualties are but "tragic errors" and "collateral damage."[5]

Like Samantha Power, the What We're Fighting For statement issued in February 2002 by the Institute for American Values and signed by 60 U.S. intellectuals, including Jean Bethke Elshtain, Francis Fukuyama, Mary Ann Glendon, Samuel Huntington, Harvey C. Mansfield, Will Marshall, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Michael Novak, Michael Walzer, George Weigel, and James Q. Wilson, declared the war on terror a "just war." "Organized killers with global reach now threaten all of us," it is asserted in one revealing passage. "In the name of universal human morality, and fully conscious of the restrictions and requirements of a just war, we support our government's, and our society's, decision to use force of arms against them."[6] The idea that "killers with global reach" who are far more deadly and effective than Al Qaeda could be found at home doesn't seem to occur to these intellectuals. And like Power, they also make what they believe a telling distinction between the deliberate killing of civilians, as in a suicide bombing, and "collateral damage"-type casualties even in cases where civilian casualties are vastly larger and entirely predictable, though not specifically intended.[7] Throughout these reflections, the purpose is to distinguish our murderous acts from theirs. It is the latter that constitute a "world-threatening evil...that clearly requires the use of force to remove it."[8]

In the same mode, Princeton University international law professor Richard Falk's early contributions to The Nation after 9/11 found a "visionary program of international, apocalyptic terrorism" behind the events. "It is truly a declaration of war from the lower depths," Falk wrote, a "transformative shift in the nature of the terrorist challenge both conceptually and tactically.There is no indication that the forces behind the attack were acting on any basis beyond their extraordinary destructive intent.We are poised on the brink of a global, intercivilizational war without battlefields and borders." Some weeks later, in a nod to "just war" doctrine, Falk argued that the "destruction of both the Taliban regime and the Al Qaeda networkare appropriate goals.[T]he case [against the Taliban] is strengthened," he added, "to the degree that its governing policies are so oppressive as to give the international community the strongest possible grounds for humanitarian intervention."[9]

Peter Beinart, a liberal-leaning former editor of the New Republic and the author of the 2006 book The Good Fight: Why Liberals--and Only Liberals-Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again, wrote in the aftermath of Cheney - Bush's 2004 re-election: "Today, the war on terrorism is partially obscured by the war in Iraq, which has made liberals cynical about the purposes of U.S. power. But, even if Iraq is Vietnam, it no more obviates the war on terrorism than Vietnam obviated the battle against communism. Global jihad will be with us long after American troops stop dying in Falluja and Mosul. And thus, liberalism will rise or fall on whether it can become, again, what (Arthur) Schlesinger called 'a fighting faith'."[10]

Even David Cole and Jules Lobel, authors of a highly-regarded critique of Cheney - Bush policies on "Why America Is Losing the War on Terror," take the existence of its "counterterrorism strategy" at face value; this strategy has been a "colossal failure," they argue, because it has "compromised our spirit, strengthened our enemies and left us less free and less safe." The U.S. war in Iraq "permitted the Administration to turn its focus from Al Qaeda, the organization that attacked us on 9/11, to Iraq, a nation that did not. The Iraq war has by virtually all accounts made the United States, the Iraqi people, many of our allies and for that matter much of the world more vulnerable to terrorists. By targeting Iraq, the Bush Administration not only siphoned off much-needed resources from the struggle against Al Qaeda but also created a golden opportunity for Al Qaeda to inspire and recruit others to attack US and allied targets. And our invasion of Iraq has turned it into the world's premier terrorist training ground."[11]

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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/War_On_Terrorism/ThereIsNoWarOnTerror.html



Bad people get what they deserve. Especially when they cross the white guy with money. Look at all the friends that horsefucking sonofabitch has.
It's a conspiracy. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #1
That's what Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC (ret.) wrote. Octafish Dec 2015 #6
I'm not psychic so much as you are predictable. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #18
You missed my point, then. Octafish Dec 2015 #19
I think the arc of history bends towards chaos. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #22
You got it. You know who else really understands ''Realpolitik''? Octafish Dec 2015 #51
Game, Set and Match. CanSocDem Dec 2015 #65
Yeah, that's fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #98
Maybe tied to the JFK shooting?? nt Logical Dec 2015 #84
The same people - those who profit - work for war. Octafish Dec 2015 #88
You're not able to answer the question. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #78
No question was asked. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #95
So why don't you follow your own advice? Octafish Jan 2016 #121
Sorry, I may get an alert for this but it just seems to me 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #129
I guess you haven't an answer either. . . .n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #87
As a rule, I only provide answers to questions asked in earnest. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #96
Please provide an answer to the question posed in the OP: Who are we fighting in Afganistan. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #128
We're fighting the POPPY MANUFACTURES....WE WANT TO CONTROL THE HEROIN TRADE AS ALWAYS! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #126
. Wilms Dec 2015 #2
You converted me into a Monkees fan. Octafish Dec 2015 #11
from the Ministry of Truth? Downwinder Dec 2015 #20
We've always been at pre-emptive war with Eurasia. Octafish Dec 2015 #21
Did Shrub spill the beans with his comment Downwinder Dec 2015 #27
Adam Curtis doc for the BBC... GreatGazoo Dec 2015 #40
Historical note: I think the comment to which you allude came, non from Shrub, but from KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #92
Brown people mwrguy Dec 2015 #3
Brown people are ottomanitacally enemy. Octafish Dec 2015 #12
You know whose side we're on in Afghanistan? The "brown people", as you beautifully put it muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #23
Which bad guys? Octafish Dec 2015 #33
Your memory is apalling muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #34
I wish I could forget the time Obama repeated Bush line Taliban never offered up bin laden. Octafish Dec 2015 #61
This is correct. n/t Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #67
Waste of time. Rex Dec 2015 #38
You should see what they're planning for the Home Front. Octafish Dec 2015 #62
A lot of Afghans don't like their government. CJCRANE Dec 2015 #76
While its most certainly a position of some in the right... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #35
The Brown People bigwillq Dec 2015 #4
Why would Obama fight people because they are brown?? GummyBearz Dec 2015 #5
Because they're terrarists bigwillq Dec 2015 #7
We have a commander in chief who knows that is not true, what a ridiculous thing to say GummyBearz Dec 2015 #9
I was being sarcastic (kind of) bigwillq Dec 2015 #24
They are soooo ungrateful. Octafish Dec 2015 #13
You know, the bad guys gratuitous Dec 2015 #8
Speaking of money... You know who's getting RICH off the war on ISIS? Octafish Dec 2015 #14
Sibel Edmonds knew, so she was fired and slapped with a gag order when she tried to tell. nt tblue37 Jan 2016 #120
Can you handle the truth? It's to OWN THE LAND. GOOGLE "Mineral wealth of Afghanistan"!!!! WinkyDink Dec 2015 #10
Trillions for Billionaires! Octafish Dec 2015 #17
Great post, Octafish. nt. polly7 Dec 2015 #43
And yet there are millions of americans who think that 3000 American lives in NYC would mean WinkyDink Jan 2016 #130
+1000. nt. polly7 Dec 2015 #44
and cell phones klyon Dec 2015 #70
Everyone wants Afghanistan for the location and resources KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #15
Bush, Enron, UNOCAL and the Taliban Octafish Dec 2015 #29
Some combination of scary bogeymen. We lost. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #16
I was hoping we would have closed the books back in 2009. Octafish Dec 2015 #31
WHY EVIL DOERS, that's who, SIR! bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #25
He may be the only uncorrupted guy in that whole bunch. Octafish Dec 2015 #52
Allowing our favored industries first dibs at a trillion dollar's worth of raw materials arcane1 Dec 2015 #26
That is a lot of awesome. Plus, the location! Octafish Dec 2015 #58
^^This, and of course to save face johnnypanic42 Dec 2015 #77
We're fighting FOR heroin. Rich people must get richer, after all. nt valerief Dec 2015 #28
Same Ol' World Odor Octafish Dec 2015 #64
The Nazis, cause they bombed Pearl Harbor. Crack a book for Pete's sake. Glassunion Dec 2015 #30
The American Dream Octafish Dec 2015 #66
Everybody Matrosov Dec 2015 #32
We need more guns to protect our ideals. Octafish Dec 2015 #94
Well we can eliminate the producers of heroin malaise Dec 2015 #36
The Politics of Afghan Opium (2002) Octafish Dec 2015 #104
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Jan 2016 #110
Eurasia. Or was that Eastasia? PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #37
Got a box of rocks to boot for ever... Octafish Jan 2016 #105
Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia. Fozzledick Jan 2016 #122
The M$M likes this war, not enough are complaining and the ones that do Rex Dec 2015 #39
Maybe the big enemy isn't overseas at all. Octafish Jan 2016 #112
"Somebody" is making a lot of money off their poppy crops n/t Holly_Hobby Dec 2015 #41
The Real ''Surge'' Octafish Jan 2016 #127
Check the checklist ... Scuba Dec 2015 #42
The US invasion of Afghanistan was justified and fully supported by many allies. tabasco Dec 2015 #46
Sorry, but 9/11 should have been treated like the crime it was. Scuba Dec 2015 #47
That's like, your opinion, man. n/t tabasco Dec 2015 #49
Did you note that we're still wasting lives and money in Afghanistan, 15 years later? Scuba Dec 2015 #50
Er uh...er uh...well that is besides the point! Rex Dec 2015 #54
Thanks to Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq. tabasco Dec 2015 #59
Yeah and millions of us agree with it, man. Rex Dec 2015 #53
There's like 300 million in the US alone. tabasco Dec 2015 #60
"but 9/11 should have been treated like the crime it was" EX500rider Dec 2015 #68
If that's the only way you can think of to apprehend criminals you're not very thoughtful. Scuba Dec 2015 #71
Speaking of not very thoughtful... EX500rider Dec 2015 #72
"Beef up " means to add to. And legitimizing the CRIME by ... Scuba Dec 2015 #74
So you think law enforcement... EX500rider Dec 2015 #75
Ever hear of a SWAT team? 'Cause that's what took out Bin Laden. Scuba Dec 2015 #79
Yeah he was hiding in a house with a few guards.. EX500rider Dec 2015 #80
Hey if you want to defend one of the worst foreign policy blunders in American history, be my guest. Scuba Dec 2015 #81
Taking down the Taliban is the worst blunder in YOUR opinion... EX500rider Dec 2015 #82
In case you haven't noticed, we haven't taken them down, 15 years and a trillion dollars later. Scuba Dec 2015 #83
Actually we did...they are no longer the government of Afghanistan.. EX500rider Dec 2015 #86
The difference between a SWAT team and a US tier one military unit.. TipTok Dec 2015 #90
Seal Team Six is no fucking SWAT Team. Your ignorance of basic tactical msanthrope Jan 2016 #109
Condescension works great for building animus among the lower ranks. Octafish Jan 2016 #124
Al Qaeda was, like, 50 guys total truebluegreen Dec 2015 #103
Maybe you missed the African Embassy bombings... EX500rider Jan 2016 #108
Wikipedia? Srsly? truebluegreen Jan 2016 #119
Which law enforcement agency would you have sent? TipTok Dec 2015 #89
Historical note: the Taliban agreed to extradite bin Laden to a court with international KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #93
If by "we" you mean NATO and Afghan Army forces tabasco Dec 2015 #45
So 15 years later and why are we still there? How many decades do we need to be there? Rex Dec 2015 #55
We are saving their mineral resources and poppies JEB Dec 2015 #48
Strange Victory Octafish Dec 2015 #102
They are just pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. JEB Jan 2016 #113
We are not fighting, we are making sure the opium drug lords have security from Rex Dec 2015 #56
Well said. Remember when Seymour Hersh had a job at The New Yorker? Octafish Dec 2015 #101
Who are we NOT fighting in Afghanistan? Wounded Bear Dec 2015 #57
Germany? Octafish Jan 2016 #114
Bad people. Don't you like cheap oil? TBF Dec 2015 #63
All the oil in the world won't bring back a lost life. Octafish Jan 2016 #115
... TBF Jan 2016 #116
We are fighting the people that assassinated JFK. kwassa Dec 2015 #69
''Money trumps peace.'' -- appointed pretzeldent George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Dec 2015 #73
The corporate media seems to conveniently forget to report a lot of things. Rex Dec 2015 #85
That seems like synchronicity, so much serendipity. Octafish Dec 2015 #91
This has been a year of some interesting books, don't you think? MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #99
Media Blackout shows it is Great Book. Octafish Dec 2015 #100
And it's 1-2-3, what are we fighting for? Don't ask me, I don't KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #97
One Definition of Insanity Octafish Jan 2016 #123
;-) WinkyDink Jan 2016 #131
Kaos... madinmaryland Jan 2016 #106
A Strategy of Tension Octafish Jan 2016 #125
And what are we fighting for? bluedigger Jan 2016 #107
He's a Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man Octafish Jan 2016 #118
We are fighting ourselves. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #111
Operation CYCLONE Octafish Jan 2016 #117
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