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In reply to the discussion: Seymour Hersh: US knowingly armed ISIS [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)16. This is Hersh's real story - regime change over stopping terrorism - and this names the source.
Last edited Sun Jan 3, 2016, 11:51 AM - Edit history (2)
The JCS were right to pushback against the covert policy of arming the Jihadi opposition initiated by CIA Director Petraeus and Secretary of State Clinton being pursued at the time.
Hersh writes that a highly classified 2013 Defense Intelligence Agency/Joint Chiefs of Staff report on Syria forecast that the fall of the Assad regime would lead to "chaos" and possibly to Islamist extremists taking over Syria.
Hersh reports that Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, director of the DIA between 2012 and 2014, told him that his agency sent a "constant stream" of warnings to the "civilian leadership" about the dire consequences of ousting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
The DIA's reporting "got enormous pushback" from the Obama administration, Hersh quotes Flynn as saying. "I felt that they did not want to hear the truth."
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/12/27/Seymour-Hersh-report-on-Syria-White-House-knew-US-was-arming-Islamic-State/6951451232210/
Hersh reports that Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, director of the DIA between 2012 and 2014, told him that his agency sent a "constant stream" of warnings to the "civilian leadership" about the dire consequences of ousting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
The DIA's reporting "got enormous pushback" from the Obama administration, Hersh quotes Flynn as saying. "I felt that they did not want to hear the truth."
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/12/27/Seymour-Hersh-report-on-Syria-White-House-knew-US-was-arming-Islamic-State/6951451232210/
The report, published in the Jan. 7, 2016 edition of the London Review of Books, relies heavily on an anonymous former senior adviser to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Hersh writes that the adviser told him the DIA/Joint Chiefs report took a "dim view" of the Obama administration's insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups and found that the covert U.S. program to arm and support those "moderate" rebels fighting Assad had been co-opted by Turkey, which then morphed the program into an "across-the-board technical, arms and logistical program for all of the opposition, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State."
"The assessment was bleak: there was no viable 'moderate' opposition to Assad, and the U.S. was arming extremists," Hersh wrote.
In October, the Pentagon announced that it was discontinuing its program to train and equip moderate rebels in Syria, saying the program cost $500 million and only succeeded in training a "handful" of recruits.
In November, however, the CIA increased its shipments of arms to rebels in Syria, joining with U.S. allies in challenging Russia and Iran's involvement in Syria in support of the Assad regime.
U.S. officials, according to a Nov. 4 article in The Wall Street Journal, said the Obama administration is pursuing a dual-track strategy in Syria, to keep military pressure on Assad while U.S. diplomats "see if they can ease him from power through negotiations."
The White House has not responded directly to the allegations raised in the article in the London Review of Books.
Its author, Seymour Hersh, won a Pulitzer Prize in 1970 for his reporting on the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam War and has continued to write on national security for many newspapers and magazines, including The New Yorker. He was widely criticized for his The Killing of Osama bin Laden report that accused President Barack Obama and his administration of lying about the circumstances surrounding the killing of Osama bin Laden in 2011. Many media establishments, intelligence analysts and officials, including the White House, rejected the claim.
Hersh writes that the adviser told him the DIA/Joint Chiefs report took a "dim view" of the Obama administration's insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups and found that the covert U.S. program to arm and support those "moderate" rebels fighting Assad had been co-opted by Turkey, which then morphed the program into an "across-the-board technical, arms and logistical program for all of the opposition, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State."
"The assessment was bleak: there was no viable 'moderate' opposition to Assad, and the U.S. was arming extremists," Hersh wrote.
In October, the Pentagon announced that it was discontinuing its program to train and equip moderate rebels in Syria, saying the program cost $500 million and only succeeded in training a "handful" of recruits.
In November, however, the CIA increased its shipments of arms to rebels in Syria, joining with U.S. allies in challenging Russia and Iran's involvement in Syria in support of the Assad regime.
U.S. officials, according to a Nov. 4 article in The Wall Street Journal, said the Obama administration is pursuing a dual-track strategy in Syria, to keep military pressure on Assad while U.S. diplomats "see if they can ease him from power through negotiations."
The White House has not responded directly to the allegations raised in the article in the London Review of Books.
Its author, Seymour Hersh, won a Pulitzer Prize in 1970 for his reporting on the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam War and has continued to write on national security for many newspapers and magazines, including The New Yorker. He was widely criticized for his The Killing of Osama bin Laden report that accused President Barack Obama and his administration of lying about the circumstances surrounding the killing of Osama bin Laden in 2011. Many media establishments, intelligence analysts and officials, including the White House, rejected the claim.
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Me too! I don't trust Putin in Eastern Euroe or countries that used to be part of Russia, but I
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#104
And Helen Thomas ABANDONED UPI for very good reason, too--they're as flaky as Hersch is. nt
MADem
Dec 2015
#30
Read more carefully. The JCS said that aid to ISIS is a foreseeable consequence not the intent
leveymg
Dec 2015
#22
Not to worry, though. Zbig Brzezinski said that the 2,900 American lives lost on 9-11 were
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#34
Yeah, they both seem cut from the same bolt of cloth, don't they? Weirdly, Zbig was serving
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#75
That's a fairly noncontroversial point--Obama himself was very reluctant to start arming people
geek tragedy
Dec 2015
#39
I was going to post that it is sad that we can't turn back time and react differently,
karynnj
Dec 2015
#50
Barack Obama fired Petraeus and graciously accepted Madam Secretary's resignation
leveymg
Dec 2015
#24
Petraeus was in deep trouble over putting secret info on his personal computer and showing
karynnj
Dec 2015
#46
The U.S. has a long and storied tradition of picking sides in other countries'
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#7
But ISIS is also fighing against our adversary in Syria (Assad). That is
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#15
ISIS is almost exclusively Sunni; Iran and the puppets in Iraq are almost
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#23
Interesting that the DIA and Joint Chiefs advised against US involvement rather than a hawkish
pampango
Dec 2015
#9
The best allies of the US in that region are Israel and KSA, both want Assad out.
GreatGazoo
Dec 2015
#11
This is Hersh's real story - regime change over stopping terrorism - and this names the source.
leveymg
Dec 2015
#16
Flynn was a big opponent of the Iran nuclear deal, he's all over the place nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2015
#26
It was never more apparent than when he said the Bin Laden raid was a 'fairy tale'.
randome
Dec 2015
#29
You'd better hope those supplemental photos and videos of Abu Ghraib never
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#35
I will give Hersh credit where credit is due. This is certainly not one of those times.
randome
Dec 2015
#41
Oh, spare us the attack the messenger sophistry. Hersh's source isn't RT- it's the DIA/Joint Chiefs
leveymg
Dec 2015
#28
I'm so channeling Dave Mason right about now: "There ain't no good guy, there
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#27
Is that the Friend of my enemy, enemy of my friend, enemy of enemy, stategy?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2015
#45
LOL! Not to be confused with Westmoreland's "Light at the End of the Tunnel"
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#49
we also armed Saddam Hussein before killing him. to those who don't believe Obama and Clinton
Doctor_J
Dec 2015
#92
So you don't believe Saddam was our ally right before he was our sworn enemy?
Doctor_J
Dec 2015
#111