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nyabingi

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51. I guess you'd only believe it if

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:03 PM

Dec 2015

CNN or The Washington Post said it.

If you actually read the article (which I have), you'll see it's not a partisan attack on Obama specifically, but really an indictment of the current state of US foreign policy, particularly since the rise to power of George W. and his band of neocons. Those same neocons still direct or foreign policy, they're still in Washington calling the shots, and the media hasn't really talked about it at all because they're some of the beneficiaries of this foreign policy.

Seymour Hersch is just one of the more known journalists out there who's not afraid to talk about what everyone sees happening. Mainstream American media outlets have been rejecting his more recent work because he's stepping on the toes of their bosses.

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Seymour Hersh: US knowingly armed ISIS [View all] chalmers Dec 2015 OP

I've felt that in my bones libodem Dec 2015 #1

Me too! I don't trust Putin in Eastern Euroe or countries that used to be part of Russia, but I JDPriestly Dec 2015 #104

Fucking hell! onecaliberal Dec 2015 #2

Hersh is a polite version of Alex Jones these days. geek tragedy Dec 2015 #3

I agree. MBS Dec 2015 #5

And Helen Thomas ABANDONED UPI for very good reason, too--they're as flaky as Hersch is. nt MADem Dec 2015 #30

I have to agree with you there.... FarPoint Dec 2015 #61

I haven't seen a sourced story by him in years sharp_stick Dec 2015 #48

I guess you'd only believe it if nyabingi Dec 2015 #51

You're right. Nyan Dec 2015 #56

Yeah, they can't get Bernie to be a cheerleader nyabingi Dec 2015 #58

This started when Hillary was Sec of State. WDIM Dec 2015 #4

You honestly believe Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama geek tragedy Dec 2015 #6

Turkey is our NATO ally and Turkey armed and aided ISIL - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #10

You clearly don't know much about US history chalmers Dec 2015 #12

No, I'm just not an Alex-Jones conspiracy nutter geek tragedy Dec 2015 #13

LOL chalmers Dec 2015 #17

You and Alex Jones can chuckle all you want geek tragedy Dec 2015 #18

Hersh's claims are born out by history of American foreign policy priorities, Nyan Dec 2015 #47

Very good analysis nyabingi Dec 2015 #57

good post G_j Dec 2015 #89

your ad hominem attack only proves your ignorance TheSarcastinator Dec 2015 #71

Read more carefully. The JCS said that aid to ISIS is a foreseeable consequence not the intent leveymg Dec 2015 #22

Not to worry, though. Zbig Brzezinski said that the 2,900 American lives lost on 9-11 were KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #34

Zbig probably endorsed MIC hero chapdrum Dec 2015 #72

Yeah, they both seem cut from the same bolt of cloth, don't they? Weirdly, Zbig was serving KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #75

That's a fairly noncontroversial point--Obama himself was very reluctant to start arming people geek tragedy Dec 2015 #39

Foreseen consequences are really the same as "knowingly: leveymg Dec 2015 #65

I was going to post that it is sad that we can't turn back time and react differently, karynnj Dec 2015 #50

Perhaps the US should reconsider being Mercs to the House of Saud. PeoViejo Dec 2015 #76

Barack Obama fired Petraeus and graciously accepted Madam Secretary's resignation leveymg Dec 2015 #24

Petraeus was in deep trouble over putting secret info on his personal computer and showing karynnj Dec 2015 #46

Publicly, she equivocated about leaving State for several months leveymg Dec 2015 #73

One of the main things they did after Gaddafi nyabingi Dec 2015 #52

she hand carried weapons to them dlwickham Dec 2015 #102

The U.S. has a long and storied tradition of picking sides in other countries' KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #7

ISIS is fighting against our side in Iraq. geek tragedy Dec 2015 #14

But ISIS is also fighing against our adversary in Syria (Assad). That is KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #15

US priority is stabilizing Iraq as opposed to removing geek tragedy Dec 2015 #20

ISIS is almost exclusively Sunni; Iran and the puppets in Iraq are almost KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #23

Not true. nyabingi Dec 2015 #60

Adversary? Fuddnik Dec 2015 #54

'Adversary' in the sense that Assad is Putin's ally and thus our KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #55

Orwell was an optimist. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #67

I think the McCain story was debunked Oilwellian Dec 2015 #77

This is almost the reverse of Iroquois position during "the Old French War" happyslug Dec 2015 #78

Absolutely! This has been known for a long time. nt. polly7 Dec 2015 #8

Interesting that the DIA and Joint Chiefs advised against US involvement rather than a hawkish pampango Dec 2015 #9

The best allies of the US in that region are Israel and KSA, both want Assad out. GreatGazoo Dec 2015 #11

Where in the Yahoo.com article you cite does it say "The US refused"? red dog 1 Dec 2015 #97

This goes back a month or two now to when the Russians started bombing GreatGazoo Dec 2015 #98

"This goes back a month or two now to when the Russians started bombing"?? red dog 1 Dec 2015 #99

This is Hersh's real story - regime change over stopping terrorism - and this names the source. leveymg Dec 2015 #16

Flynn was a big opponent of the Iran nuclear deal, he's all over the place nt geek tragedy Dec 2015 #26

There is a coherent logic to his views, but it ignores some fundamental truths leveymg Dec 2015 #84

..! n/t KoKo Dec 2015 #74

Wait a sec. What does SputnikNews think? randome Dec 2015 #19

Before or after Abu Ghraib? Before or after My Lai? - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #25

It was never more apparent than when he said the Bin Laden raid was a 'fairy tale'. randome Dec 2015 #29

So you will give him credit for My Lai and Abu Ghraib, I take it? - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #31

Of course. There's no denying he did some great reporting in the past. randome Dec 2015 #33

You'd better hope those supplemental photos and videos of Abu Ghraib never KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #35

I will give Hersh credit where credit is due. This is certainly not one of those times. randome Dec 2015 #41

If you have some special knowledge truebluegreen Dec 2015 #42

And you believe the military version of events nyabingi Dec 2015 #66

Oh, spare us the attack the messenger sophistry. Hersh's source isn't RT- it's the DIA/Joint Chiefs leveymg Dec 2015 #28

The messenger, in this case, allows his anger to cloud his judgment. randome Dec 2015 #32

But the facts reported are now confirmed to be 100 perc legitimate leveymg Dec 2015 #70

His Anger??? Caretha Dec 2015 #109

that article only says they were arming rebel groups treestar Dec 2015 #21

I'm so channeling Dave Mason right about now: "There ain't no good guy, there KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #27

Arm both sides? What a great money-making idea! jalan48 Dec 2015 #36

See Reagan and the Iran-Iraq War for the template. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #37

The folks who want peace aren't asking for more ammo. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #38

Duh... Nyan Dec 2015 #40

War is a racket. nt valerief Dec 2015 #43

war is a racket sweetapogee Dec 2015 #91

that would be wholly unsurprising stupidicus Dec 2015 #44

Is that the Friend of my enemy, enemy of my friend, enemy of enemy, stategy? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #45

LOL! Not to be confused with Westmoreland's "Light at the End of the Tunnel" KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #49

Hersh's reporting lacks something to be desired: evidence. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #53

Here you go killbotfactory Dec 2015 #59

Salafism has traditionally been non-political and non-violent. pnwmom Dec 2015 #63

It's evidence of stupidity on the U.S.'s side AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #79

Hindsight is always 20/20. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #82

Why does anyone believe this???? There is nothing onecent Dec 2015 #62

It is believable in every sense of the word nyabingi Dec 2015 #69

ISIS is in retreat Kaleva Dec 2015 #83

In Iraq. Nyan Dec 2015 #86

US forces helped drive ISIS out of Kobane which is in Syria Kaleva Dec 2015 #87

Sure air strikes here and there and intelligence support etc. Nyan Dec 2015 #100

It wasn't just airstikes "here and there". Kaleva Dec 2015 #113

Of course they're retreating now nyabingi Dec 2015 #94

I thought we were done with Hersh?? Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #64

They must be trolls in the pay of Vladmir Putin! betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #68

Hersh gets a lot of things right . . FairWinds Dec 2015 #80

Hersh has a character Nyan Dec 2015 #85

word. KG Dec 2015 #90

Wouldn't be the first time Matrosov Dec 2015 #81

. Separation Dec 2015 #88

we also armed Saddam Hussein before killing him. to those who don't believe Obama and Clinton Doctor_J Dec 2015 #92

word. MIC cares nothing about where their wares end up. KG Dec 2015 #93

"we also armed Saddam Hussein before killing him" EX500rider Dec 2015 #103

We armed him before that, when he was our ally in the fight against Iran Doctor_J Dec 2015 #105

No, he did it with German help. EX500rider Dec 2015 #106

. Doctor_J Dec 2015 #107

lol..that's your proof...a picture of handshaking? EX500rider Dec 2015 #108

So you don't believe Saddam was our ally right before he was our sworn enemy? Doctor_J Dec 2015 #111

Ally-no...we just didn't want Iran to win. EX500rider Dec 2015 #112

more: EX500rider Dec 2015 #110

"I felt that they did not want to hear the truth." pa28 Dec 2015 #95

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Dec 2015 #96

He doesn't believe they are moderates betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #101