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In reply to the discussion: Seymour Hersh: US knowingly armed ISIS [View all]GreatGazoo
(4,413 posts)98. This goes back a month or two now to when the Russians started bombing
and the US and UK said Russia was bombing the FSA and moderate rebels.
An analysis by Reuters of Russian defence ministry data showed this week that almost 80% of Russias declared targets in Syria have been in areas not held by Isis. Yakovenko said he had a meeting at the Foreign Office in London last week in which he asked for intelligence to be shared on the location of Isis targets in Syria, but was rejected. He also asked for information on the Free Syrian Army.
We are looking closely at the Syrian Free Army. We understand there is not a single command centre, and that some of these divisions have different goals. But if among the FSA there are divisions that are really ready to fight with Isis, who is our main enemy in Syria, and if you think there are people or commanders or other contacts which could be useful and to cooperate with them, we would be grateful for such information, he said. We were again rejected.
We are looking closely at the Syrian Free Army. We understand there is not a single command centre, and that some of these divisions have different goals. But if among the FSA there are divisions that are really ready to fight with Isis, who is our main enemy in Syria, and if you think there are people or commanders or other contacts which could be useful and to cooperate with them, we would be grateful for such information, he said. We were again rejected.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/22/vladimir-putin-accuses-us-backing-terrorism-middle-east
This was part of a PR offensive in which:
Putin said the US had attempted to use terrorist groups as a battering ram to overthrow regimes they dont like.
He said: Its always hard to play a double game to declare a fight against terrorists but at the same time try to use some of them to move the pieces on the Middle Eastern chessboard in your own favour. Theres no need to play with words and split terrorists into moderate and not moderate. I would like to know what the difference is.
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The so-called Islamic State [Isis] has taken control of a huge territory. How was that possible? Think about it: if Damascus or Baghdad are seized by the terrorist groups, they will be almost the official authorities, and will have a launchpad for global expansion. Is anyone thinking about this or not?
He said: Its always hard to play a double game to declare a fight against terrorists but at the same time try to use some of them to move the pieces on the Middle Eastern chessboard in your own favour. Theres no need to play with words and split terrorists into moderate and not moderate. I would like to know what the difference is.
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The so-called Islamic State [Isis] has taken control of a huge territory. How was that possible? Think about it: if Damascus or Baghdad are seized by the terrorist groups, they will be almost the official authorities, and will have a launchpad for global expansion. Is anyone thinking about this or not?
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Me too! I don't trust Putin in Eastern Euroe or countries that used to be part of Russia, but I
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#104
And Helen Thomas ABANDONED UPI for very good reason, too--they're as flaky as Hersch is. nt
MADem
Dec 2015
#30
Read more carefully. The JCS said that aid to ISIS is a foreseeable consequence not the intent
leveymg
Dec 2015
#22
Not to worry, though. Zbig Brzezinski said that the 2,900 American lives lost on 9-11 were
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#34
Yeah, they both seem cut from the same bolt of cloth, don't they? Weirdly, Zbig was serving
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#75
That's a fairly noncontroversial point--Obama himself was very reluctant to start arming people
geek tragedy
Dec 2015
#39
I was going to post that it is sad that we can't turn back time and react differently,
karynnj
Dec 2015
#50
Barack Obama fired Petraeus and graciously accepted Madam Secretary's resignation
leveymg
Dec 2015
#24
Petraeus was in deep trouble over putting secret info on his personal computer and showing
karynnj
Dec 2015
#46
The U.S. has a long and storied tradition of picking sides in other countries'
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#7
But ISIS is also fighing against our adversary in Syria (Assad). That is
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#15
ISIS is almost exclusively Sunni; Iran and the puppets in Iraq are almost
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#23
Interesting that the DIA and Joint Chiefs advised against US involvement rather than a hawkish
pampango
Dec 2015
#9
The best allies of the US in that region are Israel and KSA, both want Assad out.
GreatGazoo
Dec 2015
#11
This is Hersh's real story - regime change over stopping terrorism - and this names the source.
leveymg
Dec 2015
#16
Flynn was a big opponent of the Iran nuclear deal, he's all over the place nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2015
#26
It was never more apparent than when he said the Bin Laden raid was a 'fairy tale'.
randome
Dec 2015
#29
You'd better hope those supplemental photos and videos of Abu Ghraib never
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#35
I will give Hersh credit where credit is due. This is certainly not one of those times.
randome
Dec 2015
#41
Oh, spare us the attack the messenger sophistry. Hersh's source isn't RT- it's the DIA/Joint Chiefs
leveymg
Dec 2015
#28
I'm so channeling Dave Mason right about now: "There ain't no good guy, there
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#27
Is that the Friend of my enemy, enemy of my friend, enemy of enemy, stategy?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2015
#45
LOL! Not to be confused with Westmoreland's "Light at the End of the Tunnel"
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2015
#49
we also armed Saddam Hussein before killing him. to those who don't believe Obama and Clinton
Doctor_J
Dec 2015
#92
So you don't believe Saddam was our ally right before he was our sworn enemy?
Doctor_J
Dec 2015
#111