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randys1

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9. Unions can create all kinds of on the job rights for people. Rights are the wrong word, of course

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Thu Dec 31, 2015, 02:42 PM

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Muslim workers in Fort Morgan fired over prayer dispute walkout [View all] FrodosPet Dec 2015 OP

Our version of capitalism, or any version, allows abuse of employees like this. randys1 Dec 2015 #1

How would that work, exactly? FrodosPet Dec 2015 #4

I get angry sometimes and go to extremes, what we NEED are STRONG unions that would threaten randys1 Dec 2015 #6

What right to pray? cali Dec 2015 #7

Unions can create all kinds of on the job rights for people. Rights are the wrong word, of course randys1 Dec 2015 #9

There is no right to prayer in the workplace, and I don't believe there should be. cali Dec 2015 #10

The poster only wants those "rights" given to whom he deems "victimized". ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #23

Ain't that the truth! grossproffit Jan 2016 #69

The workers were praying peabody Dec 2015 #49

The company did not and is not prohibiting that cali Dec 2015 #51

The company isn't prohibiting it, GGJohn Dec 2015 #52

Am I missing something? peabody Dec 2015 #54

I seem to be missing something also, an earlier report said that the company still allowed prayer, GGJohn Dec 2015 #59

Yes, that was the deal...they even had a "refection room" made available. MindPilot Jan 2016 #73

Thanks for the information, GGJohn Jan 2016 #74

Okay, if that's the case peabody Jan 2016 #80

Actually there is n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #71

Please elaborate and specify where to find this right in the Constitution or case law cali Jan 2016 #72

Surely you aren't SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #75

Your employer is not the government. Ikonoklast Jan 2016 #88

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 disagrees with you SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #95

On their own time. Unpaid. Ikonoklast Jan 2016 #97

Absolutely on their own time and not at the employer's expense SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #98

Shutting down production 5 random times a day is an unreasonable accomodation FrodosPet Jan 2016 #100

I agree that shutting down production 5 times per day is unreasonable SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #101

aww shucks - I was going to 840high Jan 2016 #102

They are Teamsters local 445. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #16

Hence why they were fired. whitefordmd Dec 2015 #29

If the contract was in force, and not between contracts during negotiations, yeah, they're toast. Ikonoklast Jan 2016 #90

A right to pray? Huh? Tipperary Dec 2015 #60

Y'all missing point, pray, play cards, whatever. randys1 Dec 2015 #61

You can do anything you want on breaks or on lunch. Tipperary Dec 2015 #63

Anyone has the right to pray on their break SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #67

Publix seems to be running fine NobodyHere Jan 2016 #92

That's because it is EMPLOYEE owned, not state owned FrodosPet Jan 2016 #99

The communists tried that randy, so did Zimbabwe LittleBlue Dec 2015 #18

You are a true voice of reason. nt clarice Dec 2015 #35

You too LittleBlue Dec 2015 #46

right back atcha !!! clarice Jan 2016 #70

And then what ?...... clarice Dec 2015 #32

+1. People who suggest this never consider those questions LittleBlue Dec 2015 #45

we should have Maduro come and run the company! snooper2 Jan 2016 #103

I sympathize in that Cargill changed their policy cali Dec 2015 #2

i don't think employers should have to provide space and time for prayer patsimp Dec 2015 #3

I 100% agree. nt Logical Dec 2015 #13

Cargill says it didn't. It allowed workers to take the breaks if it could be done Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #58

Good. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #5

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #83

Federal law disagrees with you n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #84

...+1 840high Jan 2016 #104

There has to be more going on here. Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #8

why did they change the policy ? JI7 Dec 2015 #11

those are the questions to ask JCMach1 Dec 2015 #12

I know of no mainstream religions in the USA that requires special rooms, etc. nt Logical Dec 2015 #14

What really odd, is the firm I work for has a group which uses madinmaryland Dec 2015 #20

I'm a federal employee SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #22

I've been in the private sector for over 30 years and had never seen anything like that. madinmaryland Dec 2015 #24

If the rooms aren't needed for anything else SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #25

I would assume that this isn't done on company time? eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #26

During lunch breaks n/t SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #27

Appropriate. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #28

I 100% agree. nt Logical Dec 2015 #34

Why provide prayer time in the first place? GGJohn Dec 2015 #21

It's interesting that you would ask that..... clarice Dec 2015 #38

Did Carter ever demand that prayer time be provided for employees on company time? GGJohn Dec 2015 #44

I am stumped the meaning of "meat solutions" dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #15

Case goods for food service pscot Dec 2015 #19

There are times when I have found that a "meat solution" can be very relaxing. nt clarice Dec 2015 #42

They shouldn't have walked out LittleBlue Dec 2015 #17

Cargill: Tried to resolve issues before firing Colorado Muslim workers tammywammy Dec 2015 #30

From what I understand, Cargill allowed 2-3 employees at a time to pray, but the employees were GGJohn Dec 2015 #31

Shutting down an assembly line is not a reasonable accommodation TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #36

Which would not be considered a reasonable accommodation. tammywammy Dec 2015 #37

Correct. GGJohn Dec 2015 #43

I wonder why they were using CAIR instead of their union reps? n/t tammywammy Dec 2015 #47

That's a distinct possibility. GGJohn Dec 2015 #48

Reading this, it seems that as the company tried to be more accommodating, some workers pushed Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #39

I agree shutting down the line is not reasonable. tammywammy Dec 2015 #40

Do your work and pray on your own time... TipTok Dec 2015 #33

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Sounds like time for arbitration. There is definitely miscommunication. kwassa Dec 2015 #53

Well, from this article, it seems that the union was not seeing cause for action Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #56

It sounds like the union is out of touch with some of the rank-and-file ... kwassa Dec 2015 #57

Or CAIR gave them bad advice against the Union's recommendations. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #62

Possibly. Much of this story is unclear. kwassa Dec 2015 #64

"That never stopped us from rushing to judgment." GGJohn Dec 2015 #65

Or the workers are asking for something not possible to get. It cuts both ways. Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #66

We don't know exactly how it played out. kwassa Dec 2015 #68

We do know cair was negotiating for them Mosby Jan 2016 #78

good!! We need a society where everybody is the same. This tolerance of Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #55

I rarely side with corporations ... earthside Jan 2016 #76

I think this is the first time in my life that I have ever sided with smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #85

The NLRB should be all up in that company's business mwrguy Jan 2016 #77

For what? tammywammy Jan 2016 #79

Then an audit will exonerate them mwrguy Jan 2016 #81

So if a cop asks you if he can search your car, you'll let them, after all, GGJohn Jan 2016 #87

Did I just publicly give him probably cause with 190 witnesses? mwrguy Jan 2016 #89

190 witnesses to what? GGJohn Jan 2016 #91

You're right, we should just take the corporation's word for it instead of investigating mwrguy Jan 2016 #93

Hey dude, even the Union is disagreeing with those employees walking off the job, GGJohn Jan 2016 #94

I doubt the NRLB would do anything absent a complaint from the union SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #82

So you want to use the power of the Govt to harass a business just because you don't like GGJohn Jan 2016 #86

Scary stuff n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #96