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Jarqui

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53. If there is a car accident and someone dies, does that mean to you
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:33 PM
Dec 2015

that someone must die in every car accident? Because the facts are that although some people die in car accidents, a lot of people do not die in car accidents and people do not die in every car accident. Outcomes between life and death vary in car accidents.

Accident investigations often determine reasons based upon science as to why someone might die in a car accident and why someone else might not in a different car accident - usually because the circumstances were different in some way. Occasionally, it might just be luck ... "an inch more that way and they'd be dead!" So it goes with structural buildings when engineers look at what went wrong.

Not all buildings suffer structural failure due to fire. Some because they don't have faulty fire retardant like the WTC. Some because the jet fuel fire at the WTC burned hotter. Some because they didn't suffer the structural damage the WTC did when the jets slammed into it. Some because most structural steel towers are designed structurally differently than the WTC was for economical reasons to reach it's lofty height - where the walls were oriented more to bearing some/more of the load. Some because of the size of the WTC relative to other buildings.

Etc, etc, etc.

All these things and more determine whether a building will stand or fall in a fire. And the engineers don't rely on conspiracy theorists to arrive at their scientific conclusions!!

Since there is no way to know all those things yet for this Dubai hotel, then no one can provide a credible answer for some time to come - though one might make some good guesses as they get more info collected.

You have to look at ALL the factors as to why a building stands or falls much like the engineers did when they examined the cause of failure of the WTCs on 9/11. Nearly every situation is different. My father and I, both with structural engineering backgrounds, reviewed the thousand page plus report and thought it made perfect sense and was pretty well done. I'm well aware of wackos on the internet who saw it differently and there were scientific explanations for the exploding joints video but I did not see the conspiracy theorists present anything remotely credible.

was it hit by a BIG plane? Skittles Dec 2015 #1
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #7
What footprint should they have collapsed into? pintobean Dec 2015 #9
I'm not saying it was Godzilla... OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #22
"so I just keep what's still unchewed... and I take it home, save it for later" Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #10
precisely! thank you! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #12
So.... what caused it? philosslayer Dec 2015 #13
Controlled demolition most likely ThePhilosopher04 Dec 2015 #19
Why thank you for filling me in. philosslayer Dec 2015 #23
Someone with a half a brain has. pintobean Dec 2015 #24
Yep, you are one of those. GGJohn Dec 2015 #26
A half a brain and a 10 minute internet degree. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #31
I only have 3/4 of a brain and i think you are sadly confused juxtaposed Dec 2015 #32
Oh, you're one of those? GGJohn Dec 2015 #17
ThePhilosopher04 has collapsed into his own time-out pintobean Dec 2015 #54
2 hides in the same thread. GGJohn Dec 2015 #61
Did you ask Faye Roe? pintobean Dec 2015 #2
Hey what has a enflamed granary have to do with it? Human101948 Dec 2015 #6
. pintobean Dec 2015 #21
I assume you're trying to make a point philosslayer Dec 2015 #3
Do gifs work on DU? Nevernose Dec 2015 #4
Nah, this needs some Gospel music. Bad Thoughts Dec 2015 #14
well yes I will make the point that wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #15
So these buildings, in which thousands of people visited each day.. philosslayer Dec 2015 #18
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #27
Oh, there are naive members here, just look in the mirror to see one. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #34
Without the planes you would lose your cover story. So plausible deniability is the answer. GoneFishin Dec 2015 #40
I see you're fairly lost wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #42
Ahem, GGJohn Dec 2015 #55
pegged yourself yes! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #57
Now there's a snappy comeback. GGJohn Dec 2015 #59
no need to be snappy wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #60
Silly you. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #48
LOL. GGJohn Dec 2015 #20
And the planes, that was just a distraction so no one would notice there were explosives. L. Coyote Dec 2015 #43
see post 42 since... wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #46
TROOOOOOOOOOOOOF! Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #5
DER BOMIN AR MUN! Dr. Strange Dec 2015 #51
Dont get me started on Mun Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #58
Oh FFS, not this shit again. nt Logical Dec 2015 #8
Your post is just encouraging this asshole... Human101948 Dec 2015 #11
Oh boy rbrnmw Dec 2015 #16
Did you know you can actually buy tinfoil hats now? name not needed Dec 2015 #25
Thanks they must be warm in winter nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #30
Let's ask Loki... sarisataka Dec 2015 #28
Forgive my ignorance, (not snark) darkangel218 Dec 2015 #29
Yes, building 7... mak3cats Dec 2015 #37
Hmm.. So why did it fell? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #39
... tammywammy Dec 2015 #44
well that was... wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #56
No mention of WTC7 was included in the 9/11 report. It was just one building, so I am sure GoneFishin Dec 2015 #45
No plane hit WTC 7 nationalize the fed Dec 2015 #38
Oh crap... darkangel218 Dec 2015 #41
The BBC wasn't surprised nationalize the fed Dec 2015 #49
WTC7 was set on fire by the falling, burning debris of the north tower. n/t cpwm17 Dec 2015 #50
Where'd you get your engineering degree? rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #33
where'd you get yours? wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #52
fruit cakes for everyone with 1/2 a brain or less! juxtaposed Dec 2015 #35
I saw a house collapse in a house fire once...but another one, another time, didn't. Drunken Irishman Dec 2015 #36
We jeep the embarrassing CT aunts in the attic. Codeine Dec 2015 #47
If there is a car accident and someone dies, does that mean to you Jarqui Dec 2015 #53
The hosts have decided to lock this. You may re-post in Creative Speculation. LeftishBrit Dec 2015 #62
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