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In reply to the discussion: Impossible for Ukrainian authorities to end their civil war. [View all]DetlefK
(16,670 posts)2. WTF?
The breakaway Donbass republics, for their part, have also voiced their dissatisfaction with Poroshenko's proposed amendments, given that they were proposed without their participation.
Hello? They have broken away from Ukraine. They are trying to secede via military action instead of a nation-wide referendum, as the ukrainian constitution commands. They are claiming to be separate countries from Ukraine.
And yet they complain how the ukrainian government dares to do politics without their input?
Asked why the agreement was signed, if Kiev had no intention of fulfilling it, the expert explained that Ukrainian leaders "had expected that they would be allowed not to fulfill Minsk II, while Russia would be pressured to do so. But it soon became clear that everything had turned out in a completely different way, and from that moment Ukrainian authorities have been looking for ways to disrupt the agreements."
I see your supposed intentional violation of the agreements by the ukrainian government and raise the stake by mentioning Russia violating the ukrainian border with uninspected convoys, with "russian soldiers on vacation in Ukraine" and with a policy that intentionally obscures whether the russian army is active in Ukraine or not.
Ukraine also has rougher politicians, and more dysfunctional ones
Whereas Russia has politicians who propose an eugenic program where every woman in Russia should be artificially inseminated with the semen of Vladimir Putin.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/48175-lets-inseminate-all-russian-women-with-putins-sperm-says-wacky-lawmaker
The whole article is a pre-emptive propaganda-piece to blame a dysfunctional Ukraine if the daily warfare in Ukraine again rises above a level where it can be ignored and termed "peace".
Hello? They have broken away from Ukraine. They are trying to secede via military action instead of a nation-wide referendum, as the ukrainian constitution commands. They are claiming to be separate countries from Ukraine.
And yet they complain how the ukrainian government dares to do politics without their input?
Asked why the agreement was signed, if Kiev had no intention of fulfilling it, the expert explained that Ukrainian leaders "had expected that they would be allowed not to fulfill Minsk II, while Russia would be pressured to do so. But it soon became clear that everything had turned out in a completely different way, and from that moment Ukrainian authorities have been looking for ways to disrupt the agreements."
I see your supposed intentional violation of the agreements by the ukrainian government and raise the stake by mentioning Russia violating the ukrainian border with uninspected convoys, with "russian soldiers on vacation in Ukraine" and with a policy that intentionally obscures whether the russian army is active in Ukraine or not.
Ukraine also has rougher politicians, and more dysfunctional ones
Whereas Russia has politicians who propose an eugenic program where every woman in Russia should be artificially inseminated with the semen of Vladimir Putin.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/48175-lets-inseminate-all-russian-women-with-putins-sperm-says-wacky-lawmaker
The whole article is a pre-emptive propaganda-piece to blame a dysfunctional Ukraine if the daily warfare in Ukraine again rises above a level where it can be ignored and termed "peace".
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The UK is made of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland...Each one is a "country"
CJCRANE
Jan 2016
#63
The Ukraine can't end it as long as Russia and Putin want a hunk of their country
FLPanhandle
Jan 2016
#4
Constantly just telling me you don't like my source because it's "Russian" . . .
another_liberal
Jan 2016
#66
So tell us why you use only "news" sources that are wholly run by the Russian Govt.?
GGJohn
Jan 2016
#25
Nah ............ nothing you've ever said about - anything - has ever resonated or even struck me
polly7
Jan 2016
#29