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166. Sounds like the occupiers may have a legitimate grievance -

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 03:59 PM

Jan 2016

I am no lawyer and only a layperson on such legal matters but could this be a case of double jeopardy where you can not be sentenced twice for the same crime? They ready served their sentences as dictated by a state judge but a federal judge wants to increase their sentence after already serving.

Is it possible to be sentenced (and time already served) for a crime by a state jury and judge and then be overruled by a federal judge after the fact? It may be true the state judge sentenced them to serve terms that were too short by federal standards but is that not the fault of the state and or federal judicial process? An additional 4 years incarceration seems excessive when compared to the original sentences already served.

IMHO, Sounds like double jeopardy to me.

Key things to know about the militia standoff in Oregon -
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/key-things-to-know-about-the-militia-standoff-in-oregon/

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It's simple. The government needs to give these domestic terrorists an ultimatum: vacate in 24 hours [View all] Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 OP

No. arcane1 Jan 2016 #1

Give them an inch and they'll take a yard. Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #2

"openly looking to attack the government" by breaking into an empty building and sitting there? arcane1 Jan 2016 #3

lol condoning right-wing militias. Unbelievable. Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #4

You lie. I don't condone them, I object to burning them alive. arcane1 Jan 2016 #11

lol Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #16

If you think turning yourself into a militant bombmonger JackInGreen Jan 2016 #77

Handling this sanely isn't appeasement demwing Jan 2016 #84

Same shit was said during the Bundy Ranch standoff MohRokTah Jan 2016 #91

Yeah, let's go and make martyrs of them, that's the way to do it. GGJohn Jan 2016 #95

More of the same shit that was said back then. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #97

So your solution is to kill them before they've committed any violence against GGJohn Jan 2016 #98

My solution is to send in armed federal troops wearing body armor to peacefully remove them. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #99

So you want to escalate the situation so that there will be violence and killing? GGJohn Jan 2016 #100

The situation was already escalated by the terrorists armed insurrection. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #103

I can't believe that I'm reading this shit on a progressive board. GGJohn Jan 2016 #105

I can. But only because I've seen it before. From a select few. pangaia Jan 2016 #178

Yeah, that worked out real well at Ruby Ridge and Waco. GGJohn Jan 2016 #101

Worked fine at Waco. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #104

Yeah, because those children and women deserved to die because of................. GGJohn Jan 2016 #107

David Koresh was responsible for every death, not the federal government. eom MohRokTah Jan 2016 #109

The Feds didn't have to assault the compound like they did, they could have waited a few more GGJohn Jan 2016 #111

The time for waiting had come and passed. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #114

Bullshit!!!! GGJohn Jan 2016 #118

Nope. Everything had been tried. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #119

You are one sick puppy if you believe that killing is preferable to negotiations GGJohn Jan 2016 #122

They already proved they were heavily armed and were violent. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #125

What violence have these militia assholes committed yet? GGJohn Jan 2016 #132

Fine, then when armed troops enter the building to remove them... MohRokTah Jan 2016 #135

Again, why are you so eager to escalate the situation? GGJohn Jan 2016 #138

The incident was escalated by the terrorists when they took over the building while armed. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #139

So you want to escalate it into a possible shootout to satisfy your desire for bloodshed? GGJohn Jan 2016 #141

Your irrational bloodlust duly noted. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #154

Good to know who you really are: Someone who has no problem cali Jan 2016 #151

You're sick. Dude, seek help. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #177

There are an alarming number sarisataka Jan 2016 #153

Funny, I'll bet that most of those advocating violence to end this occupation have GGJohn Jan 2016 #156

Well, a few may have been in a fistfight... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #158

This is crazy talk and has no place on DU. demmiblue Jan 2016 #106

The mistake at the Bundy ranch was not law enforcement nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #173

100% correct. And we hardly ever agree on anything LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #176

It is becauae of people with your take on things, pangaia Jan 2016 #180

Slowly step away from the bottle, GGJohn Jan 2016 #89

Exactly..... daleanime Jan 2016 #112

Me too, GGJohn Jan 2016 #115

Using Napalm is a progressive value, don't you know? hack89 Jan 2016 #127

Shut off water and power, blast spotlights into the windows. ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2016 #7

Probably not...but I tire of them thumbing their nose at the government. Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #9

So am I. ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2016 #19

I don't think that's a reason to kill demwing Jan 2016 #85

Spotlights and the Barney theme song. Matariki Jan 2016 #52

Jimi's "Star Spangled Banner" played at 11? - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #94

That would drive them nuts, those racist assholes GGJohn Jan 2016 #96

Thanks. For variety, maybe a little KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #108

LOL, even better, GGJohn Jan 2016 #110

I started out calling for the 82nd Airborne, but now Im KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #113

Which is ironic, GGJohn Jan 2016 #120

Wow! Totally unintentional on my part although, now that you KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #126

And the theme from the hit television show - Teletubbies. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #185

Whatever you do, don't let the delivery guy from Domino's or Wok This Way pass in any food! MADem Jan 2016 #57

Shut off power and water, block access and wait. Pretty sure they didn't take unlimited supplies peacebird Jan 2016 #68

And very loud, non-stop music. 48 hours of Rick Astley should do it. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #74

Nah, I say throw on some Snoop Dogg or Dr. Dre. TheMightyFavog Jan 2016 #159

I agree. Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2016 #116

We don't need to create a bunch of martyrs. We can arrest them the slow, boring way. pnwmom Jan 2016 #60

It is a Refuge. Fire is not a good idea. They better get firefighters ready. glinda Jan 2016 #18

True, although it's snowing pretty heavily just now. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #157

Their (Waco) death is on Koresh's hands not "ours." Your kind of thinking is what motivated CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #28

It is the OP that said "We did it in Waco." n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #34

No, the OP said we took care of the situation, your post said "we" burned children to death CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #36

Direct quote from the OP "We did it in Waco." n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #37

DQ from your post, '"We" burned children to death in Waco. Is that a good thing?' CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #38

No, David Koresh and his band of religious wack-a-loons burned children to death Jake Stern Jan 2016 #148

The PTB created this situation SciFiRK Jan 2016 #5

Agreed. It's why they can't back down now. Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #8

Agreed, sort of... DO NOT back down demwing Jan 2016 #86

Be careful about advocating violence libodem Jan 2016 #6

The OP is wasted and trolling. No need to take them seriously or support them. n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #12

K libodem Jan 2016 #20

So, you think the Waco approach was correct? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #10

Why 24 hours? XemaSab Jan 2016 #13

Kill 'em, kill 'em all! 'Murica... fuck yeah!!11 demmiblue Jan 2016 #14

Why not? Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #17

. demmiblue Jan 2016 #25

Results of your jury service DeadLetterOffice Jan 2016 #43

I suggested elsewhere catnhatnh Jan 2016 #15

Skip the middle men sarisataka Jan 2016 #21

We're not talking criminals. We're talking terrorists. Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #23

So now we can sarisataka Jan 2016 #30

How is it denying them their constitutional right? Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #40

Typically sarisataka Jan 2016 #45

K&R! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #79

There's a sane response. LuvNewcastle Jan 2016 #146

I think the arsonist guys are terrorists. joshcryer Jan 2016 #47

I agree! Also, one problem is they feel more emboldened and likely a few are RKP5637 Jan 2016 #83

The OP would prefer to make liberals look bad by pretending they are advocating murder. arcane1 Jan 2016 #24

I wish I could say sarisataka Jan 2016 #31

I doubt any non-progressive site would advocate torching the place... Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #42

Really? sarisataka Jan 2016 #46

I have tried, really hard sarisataka Jan 2016 #155

It's so liberal of you to dismiss this militia as just squatters... Drunken Irishman Jan 2016 #41

Remember Philadelphia stuarttman63 Jan 2016 #22

No it would not be good to see them burned alive... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #81

Solution: blast reggae and pot smoke flamingdem Jan 2016 #26

Or blast Dubstep until they snap. DetlefK Jan 2016 #73

Okay, I've missed something here. SheilaT Jan 2016 #27

Armed "Militia" takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters Electric Monk Jan 2016 #29

Thanks. SheilaT Jan 2016 #93

I suppose all the Republican a---holes running for president and doc03 Jan 2016 #32

nah. I would block their communications underthematrix Jan 2016 #33

Remove anything that's federal or supported by federal money greymattermom Jan 2016 #50

It's a very isolated location. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #164

Once they have been convicted of terrorism, they will lose their gun rights. How delicious! LonePirate Jan 2016 #35

Can't we just send in some Muslims? L. Coyote Jan 2016 #39

You really can't do anything until they shoot or kill someone. joshcryer Jan 2016 #44

Wtf? That's insane. cali Jan 2016 #48

''...or we firebomb the building'' Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #49

Sick stuff.. And you are absolutely right. The op is advocating mass murder cali Jan 2016 #55

just alerted I gave him time to edit it or delete it Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #58

siege them. cut off the power, water, and seek them up. they can breath, but thats it. pansypoo53219 Jan 2016 #51

Jam the radio, TV and wifi too. ucrdem Jan 2016 #56

Convict them in absentia and peacefully seize their livestock and vehicles while they're "away." ucrdem Jan 2016 #53

Firebomb them? Do want to make these guys martyrs? TheMightyFavog Jan 2016 #54

Don't mean to make light of the situation, but I am so KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #102

make them all martyrs . . . . great idea DrDan Jan 2016 #59

Nope stevil Jan 2016 #61

Just another Occupy movement. n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #62

Armed with guns and threatening to murder Federal Employees... NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #66

Hmmm... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #82

Occupy didn't take over federal property KingFlorez Jan 2016 #128

Firebomb the building? democrank Jan 2016 #63

After 24 hours, cut off all electricity and water and chain the doors shut from the outside egold2604 Jan 2016 #64

You couldn't achieve that with a watch list. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #67

"after they surrender" demwing Jan 2016 #87

We didn't firebomb Waco - the nuts inside torched themselves. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #65

Charge them rent and wait them out. mmonk Jan 2016 #69

Yeah, that's the way... meaculpa2011 Jan 2016 #70

As long as they are not violent, we should not be violent. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #71

I have a better idea: Terrorize them. DetlefK Jan 2016 #72

Re: your idea #3. My wife says the Feds should just give me one of KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #133

LOL GGJohn Jan 2016 #140

+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #144

Burn them out like the did those Branch idiots. ileus Jan 2016 #75

Ffs JackInGreen Jan 2016 #76

I say we build a wall around it and call it the new Oregon Federal Penitentury. nt bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #78

^^^^^This one ^^^^^ leveymg Jan 2016 #80

Good plan! n/t Chemisse Jan 2016 #88

I like it. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #92

Actually not a bad idea. Kablooie Jan 2016 #129

What a great idea. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #137

The time for coddling terrorists was over on the Bundy Ranch MohRokTah Jan 2016 #90

Why don't we have sleeping gas? Kablooie Jan 2016 #117

Just ask the Russians how well that turned out when they tried the same thing GGJohn Jan 2016 #136

Besides, i could see those kooks as the kind of folks... TheMightyFavog Jan 2016 #162

I wouldn't doubt it, considering how fucking paranoid they are. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #163

Then send in a robot conker. Kablooie Jan 2016 #169

Nice! A weaponized whack-a-mole. Painted like a like a giant petronius Jan 2016 #188

The issue with any kind of gas there would be getting it in the building. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #161

Helicopter in a huge, plastic dome and drop it over the complex. Kablooie Jan 2016 #170

We do it all over the Middle East too. -none Jan 2016 #121

Waco was a terrible mistake. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #123

In Waco, we roasted some children tularetom Jan 2016 #124

WE didn't roast any children. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #160

Did they forget women and children to hide behind? That's what they usually do. brewens Jan 2016 #130

Latest Oregonian article notes that they plan to have kids arrive today. MissB Jan 2016 #165

I agree KingFlorez Jan 2016 #131

No. There are no hostages, it's the only building for miles. JHB Jan 2016 #134

Jeesus, the desire for bloodshed by some on this thread sickens me GGJohn Jan 2016 #142

If they don't clear out before the Spring Migration, JEB Jan 2016 #143

Now there's a weapon of mass destruction (of inflated egos)... JHB Jan 2016 #147

Winter is here. Let the cold do its work. JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #145

Good points, but when they surrender, how about Guantanamo since most of them have declared JCMach1 Jan 2016 #149

Hello Authoritarian left Bonx Jan 2016 #150

The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge cheapdate Jan 2016 #172

So "vacate in 24 hours...or we firebomb the building" is reasonable ? Bonx Jan 2016 #175

I want those assholes removed as quickly cheapdate Jan 2016 #186

Surround the building. deathrind Jan 2016 #152

Sounds like the occupiers may have a legitimate grievance - wundermaus Jan 2016 #166

I think you can be tried and sentenced by multiple jurisdictions for the same crime. n/t cheapdate Jan 2016 #174

Here's what I found. GGJohn Jan 2016 #179

IANAL but I thought it was ruled that the sentencing was illegal Babel_17 Jan 2016 #183

Like your name. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #167

just drop sewage on them with a slurry bomber larkrake Jan 2016 #168

That worked so well to create martyrs at Waco nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #171

The Gov't didn't firebomb Waco. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #181

But some of that got going nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #182

Wow. What? EriktheRedder Jan 2016 #184

Sorry you had to see this thread so early in your tenure here. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #187