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L. Coyote

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110. They already destroyed his political future, a presidential contender, and now want to teach all
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jan 2016

politicians that there is a price to stepping on their big toes. You don't take billions from Big Oil and not pay for that.

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L. Coyote Mar-27-08 07:26 PM
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Gov. Don Siegelman, the Roughly $3.6 Billion, ExxonMobil, and Pissing Off BIG OIL.

GRRREEAATT NEWS!!! Don Siegelman is being released from prison, albeit only on appeal.

This, of course, means he cannot be kept from the press! What are the implications?
Is it time to dig deeper into the Siegelman political prisoner saga? How did it start?

There is a story little told, from before the 2006 prosecution,
before the illegal campaign contributions to Riley from Abramoff and his felonious pals,
before the 2002 AL election theft stole victory from Dems in the middle of the night.

Siegelman's administration sued BIG OIL. ExxonMobil committed fraud and underpaid Alabama
in a contract for natural gas pumped from Mobile Bay. Alabama won that litigation, and a
jury awarded the state a judgment against ExxonMobil of roughly $3.6 billion. Not chump change!

Is that where it starts? This incident is certainly a BIG possible!
Or was this gambling corruption? Or just felonious politics?
How about defense contractors corrupting politics? Possible.
Or, it it another case of "ALL OF THE ABOVE"? Your opinions?

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ExxonMobil’s Alabama Paydirt
Scott Horton - Nov 4, 2007 - http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/11/hbc-90001584

Back in 1904, Ida Tarbell published what ultimately was to be seen as the seminal work of the muckrakers, The History of Standard Oil. It appeared first in nineteen installments in McClure’s Magazine, a rather less successful competitor of Harper’s, and shortly after the last installment appeared, Tarbell published the work in book form as well. In her work, Tarbell exposed the dark underside of corporate deal-making, the series of interlocking directorates and manipulations which had allowed John D. Rockefeller to build the oil leviathan and dominate the American market. Tarbell demonstrated that Rockefeller’s success came not so much from business acumen (though she never contested that he had plenty of that) as through a thorough understanding of how to game the system. John D. Rockefeller was a power unto himself. Politicians around the country were made and broken to suit him.

But Tarbell’s disclosures fueled the drive for antitrust legislation and a fairer and more competitive business environment—a drive which was, in its time, championed by progressive politicians of both parties, but particularly by Theodore Roosevelt. By 1911, Standard Oil was broken into thirty companies.

But over time, like the liquid-metal monster in the “Terminator” series, Standard Oil pulled itself back together again. It was aided in this process by a change in attitudes across the political spectrum, but most particularly it was aided by America’s campaign finance system in which politicians standing for election require increasingly larger sums of money to pursue their campaigns, and support from the corporate till is essential. The final act of rebirth occurred when the two principal surviving pieces of the company, Exxon and Mobil, merged at the close of 1999. The resulting behemoth, ExxonMobil, is the largest publicly traded integrated petroleum and natural gas company in the world. It is also the world’s largest petroleum and natural gas company by revenue, with revenues of $377.6 billion in fiscal year 2006.

The State of Alabama believes that it was victimized by ExxonMobil. According to the state’s complaint launched by the Administration of Governor Don Siegelman, ExxonMobil committed fraud and underpaid the state in a contract dispute over natural gas pumped from Mobile Bay. Alabama won that litigation, and a jury awarded the state a judgment against ExxonMobil of roughly $3.6 billion. Not chump change .....

...... http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/11/hbc-90001584 ..............

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More. Follow past DU Siegelman threads from this post:
Political Prisoner Don Siegelman: Will the 60 Minutes Spotlight Make a Difference?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2909551

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Why is he still a political prisoner?! haikugal Jan 2016 #1
At this point, any truth he tells is threatening to Republican party. n/t dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #2
Democrats did nothing to support him, why? haikugal Jan 2016 #3
EXACTLY! If I understand fredamae Jan 2016 #6
Good question and I agree...the question stands. haikugal Jan 2016 #7
Probably pardons him on the way out the door. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #18
Not very courageous on Obama's part. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #21
I'm very disappointed. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #31
He won't do it awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #47
Pardoning him out the door would do little. former9thward Jan 2016 #60
It would erase the criminal record NobodyHere Jan 2016 #84
Well, I'm thankful for that. But he should be released to serve in house arrest at this point. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #87
Thanks for raising the fundamental question about the elephant in the room swilton Jan 2016 #22
We need to keep making noise about this. haikugal Jan 2016 #33
Haikugal, why do you assume we should have Hortensis Jan 2016 #83
Here's a good article from the New Yorker which explains the case femmedem Jan 2016 #85
OFCS! Everyone supports him except a few people. But, justice is an institution with rules L. Coyote Jan 2016 #109
One of Obama's mistakes...or was it a mistake. haikugal Jan 2016 #113
To shut him up. Octafish Jan 2016 #4
I agree, so the question stands because I've seen nothing from the democrats in his regard. haikugal Jan 2016 #5
Dems stood with him until OBAMA sided with Rove. Octafish Jan 2016 #8
Thanks again! haikugal Jan 2016 #9
By nominating Kagan, Obama sealed Siegelman's fate. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #10
Ms. Kagan sided with the ''Money Trumps Peace'' crowd. Octafish Jan 2016 #11
+++++++ a million!! haikugal Jan 2016 #35
but think of SCOTUS!1!!!11! (only used by the wing of the party that gave us Thomas, I'd add) MisterP Jan 2016 #45
But we're supposed to vote for democrats because of SCOTUS. CrispyQ Jan 2016 #55
Why has Obama not pardoned this KKKarl Rove political prisoner? ViseGrip Jan 2016 #12
Former Asst. US Prosecutor Stephen Feaga writes that Siegelman conviction is fair and square. Octafish Jan 2016 #15
thanks for the important info. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #96
He is not eligible for a presidential pardon hack89 Jan 2016 #59
There is no limitation on the President's power to pardon. former9thward Jan 2016 #67
I just know what I read on the DOJ office of pardons website. hack89 Jan 2016 #68
The website does not apply to the President. former9thward Jan 2016 #69
Executive pardons don't apply to the president? hack89 Jan 2016 #72
I guess you forgot Ford pardoned Nixon. former9thward Jan 2016 #73
Were Gov Siegelman's crimes against the US? nm rhett o rick Jan 2016 #74
Yes, he was convicted in federal court. former9thward Jan 2016 #81
The Marc Rich pardon was deemed so improper that it ignited a bipartisan fire storm hack89 Jan 2016 #75
It's very strange to compare a pardon for Gov Siegelman with the pardon of Marc Rich. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #77
The investigations were meant to simply embarrass Clinton. former9thward Jan 2016 #82
Our Democrats have acted too cowardly on this issue. madfloridian Jan 2016 #13
Retaliation Octafish Jan 2016 #24
K&R cprise Jan 2016 #14
Siegelman got placed in solitary for talking to Thom Hartmann. Octafish Jan 2016 #34
Perry did everything Siegelman did and more. I think they keep Siegelman in jail McCamy Taylor Jan 2016 #16
Those who did the same reads like a ''Who's Who'' of GOP candidates. Octafish Jan 2016 #38
They already destroyed his political future, a presidential contender, and now want to teach all L. Coyote Jan 2016 #110
Just goes to show how grotesquely corrupt... gregcrawford Jan 2016 #17
Remember the 8 US Attorneys who stood up to Rove? Octafish Jan 2016 #50
Yeah, I remember that... gregcrawford Jan 2016 #76
Can someone like Jon Stewart, Oprah, or Colbert or one of the networks raise Siegelman's case? MariaThinks Jan 2016 #19
Maybe John Oliver will take it up SamKnause Jan 2016 #39
Can anyone on this board get them interested in doing this? MariaThinks Jan 2016 #40
I am not in the inner circle SamKnause Jan 2016 #41
I think 60 Minutes did a segment on Gov Siegelman. I didn't see it but read rhett o rick Jan 2016 #78
Wasn't Biden trying to help? I don't get it. DeeDeeNY Jan 2016 #20
It must be behind the scenes. Octafish Jan 2016 #106
Yes DeeDeeNY Jan 2016 #108
What LA Times reported in 2009... Octafish Jan 2016 #111
This issue goes beyond the political SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #23
Incredible! That critical information is missing from the public record... Octafish Jan 2016 #107
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #25
Why aren't there national voices talking about this? SoapBox Jan 2016 #26
Don is in jail because he said voting in America is corrupt and both parties know that too Botany Jan 2016 #27
Guy was an existential threat to Business as Usual. Octafish Jan 2016 #94
I've been surprised the Obama admin hasn't done more on this case Jarqui Jan 2016 #28
Given the fact that the Obama administration has done nothing to step into this case MohRokTah Jan 2016 #29
You are not alone in writing that on DU. Octafish Jan 2016 #32
No thanks. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #43
Suit yourself. Octafish Jan 2016 #49
No thanks. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #56
Great. I like discussion with people who like to learn. Octafish Jan 2016 #61
There's a problem with that. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #63
Really? Octafish Jan 2016 #64
Really. There is absolutely no truth in CT woo. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #66
Is that what professional debunker John McAdams says? Octafish Jan 2016 #70
I don't care what somebody who posts links to your threads thinks. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #71
You're arguing with true believers rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #80
Does True Believer Believe in BFEE? Octafish Jan 2016 #93
Bat guano rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #100
So, you don't have anything really to say. Octafish Jan 2016 #102
No rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #104
If that were true, you wouldn't bother to smear me. Octafish Jan 2016 #105
Here I'll save you the trouble rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #79
No thanks. No click on your link. eom MohRokTah Jan 2016 #88
Ok rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #92
The comments say more about Alabama and the blogger than anything... haikugal Jan 2016 #89
Independent thought is hard for the flock. Rex Jan 2016 #44
Of course. haikugal Jan 2016 #37
It's more complicated than that. femmedem Jan 2016 #86
Given the fact that you conclude the conviction was justified. mhatrw Jan 2016 #97
You are certainly free to do so. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #98
Our political system is basically rotten. The Siegelman case is just another piece ladjf Jan 2016 #30
Essentially we have lost the commons and our democracy. haikugal Jan 2016 #36
It is sick we have a political prisoner imprisoned in America. Rex Jan 2016 #42
Abraham Bolden gets no mention in the history books for that very reason. Octafish Jan 2016 #51
"Abraham Bolden paid a heavy price for trying to tell the truth..." CrispyQ Jan 2016 #57
Abraham Bolden lives. Octafish Jan 2016 #62
Thank you. I did not know this. roody Jan 2016 #101
Yes, this...once again. Variations on a theme. Thanks! nt haikugal Jan 2016 #90
The fact that Obama allows this man to sit in prison onecaliberal Jan 2016 #46
That's the point onecaliberal... haikugal Jan 2016 #48
I agree. It's why I support Berne, and why I will never again vote onecaliberal Jan 2016 #52
K&R on that...I'm in agreement with you, never again! nt haikugal Jan 2016 #54
K&R! Thanks for the post, Octafish... Ghost in the Machine Jan 2016 #53
Solitary Confinement for two months for talking with the Press. Octafish Jan 2016 #114
"Can you believe it's 2016?" It's hard to imagine and I, as well as Ghost in the Machine Jan 2016 #116
May Karl Rove rot in hell for eternity. senz Jan 2016 #58
My sentiments, exactly. Octafish Jan 2016 #115
K&R...'Why Obama Should Pardon Don Siegelman' spanone Jan 2016 #65
Thanks for posting Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #91
Governor Siegelman's incarceration is a travesty that Obama has bewilderingly ignored. seafan Jan 2016 #95
K&R ngGale Jan 2016 #99
Why, Obama? Pastiche423 Jan 2016 #103
I was fortunate to meet Don Siegelman back at the 2008 Dem convention librechik Jan 2016 #112
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