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MineralMan

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15. I don't really see family transfers as sales.

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 02:14 PM

Jan 2016

They're pretty much unregulated, I think. Without gun registration, it's really not possible to know who actually owns the bulk of firearms in this country, particularly long guns.

I think that gun "collectors," who regularly buy and sell firearms, should be required to have an FFL. It's a business, really, and most collectors are constantly shifting guns between owners, and money is usually involved. I know this because I know some "collectors." They're mostly hoarders who commonly buy and sell to refine their "collection." A lot of firearms are transferred that way.

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I'm a RKBA supporter and Democrat. Ask me anything about the recent Obama announcement. [View all] aikoaiko Jan 2016 OP

Can he actually obligate the funding for this without Congress? Recursion Jan 2016 #1

At one point, Obama referred to these as "recommendations" aikoaiko Jan 2016 #2

So when will the police be going door-to-door to take our guns? Buzz Clik Jan 2016 #3

I have no answer for this question. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #4

I think it is more important sarisataka Jan 2016 #12

I agree with your assessments Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #5

I agree. If the CLEO requirement is changed to notification, that's a win. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #7

With regard to the business of selling firearms, MineralMan Jan 2016 #6

A clarification on the definition of business would be helpful, but the President declined aikoaiko Jan 2016 #9

The catch is that my grandfather gave me a shotgun when I turned 9 Recursion Jan 2016 #11

I don't really see family transfers as sales. MineralMan Jan 2016 #15

You couldn't do that without a change to the law Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #13

Lots of folks with "collections" they're buying and selling for MineralMan Jan 2016 #17

If you read the BATFE guidelines released this week Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #20

Well, better enforcement wouldn't require a change in the laws. MineralMan Jan 2016 #22

I posted the newly published guidelines further down Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #25

The BATFE is under the Executive Branch. MineralMan Jan 2016 #28

Usually the first step of the BATFE if they think someone is crossing the line Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #36

Until there is more specificity, this part of Obama's proposal will be challenged... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #16

In some states, like California, gun sales between private MineralMan Jan 2016 #18

Does current law (fed or CA) not require that the product (gun) be sold by a dealer? Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #31

It has been years since I bought or sold a gun in California. MineralMan Jan 2016 #32

Lee-Lee's #21 link may have uncovered a good "loop hole" in BATF regs... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #34

I like California's strict rules on firearms transfers. MineralMan Jan 2016 #35

"I'd say you were in the business of selling firearms." The law would disagree dumbcat Jan 2016 #41

Guns are a filthy habit, like smoking. Not cool. hunter Jan 2016 #8

Maybe so, but I do clean my firearms after use. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #10

I've often said that's the cure for kids being interested in guns Recursion Jan 2016 #14

I had my 9-yr old son pack 25 round magazines. He complained about his fingers being sore. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #23

Sounds like an opinion. My opinion is that cross-point screws suck - only use Torx...nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #19

Cross point as in Phillips, or the sort used in cheap assemble-yourself furniture... hunter Jan 2016 #40

Here is the actual BATFE guidance on who is or is not a dealer Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #21

That's nice. Its a January 2016 document. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #24

Okay, what is wrong with opening NICS to the public? Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #26

Opening NICS would be an outstanding improvement. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #29

Lee-Lee's link in #21 (last page of ATF Q&A) says individuals Can access NICS... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #33

No, individuals can't access NICS Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #37

I see the distinction, and I agree with the app analogy. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #38

NICS is a woefully outdated 1980's style call center Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #39

1. Which state do you live in? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #27

Answers aikoaiko Jan 2016 #30