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115. public health measures to help people is "crap"?

Reply to Marrah_G (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 04:35 PM

Jan 2016

what an interesting idea...

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Should You Be Able to Buy Soda With Food Stamps? [View all] eridani Jan 2016 OP

Soda is poison in a can that has zero nutritional value. The point of SNAP is to feed people CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #1

And don't get me started on marijuana - thank goodness they banned that el_bryanto Jan 2016 #13

I'd rather buy your dope than your pop. roody Jan 2016 #46

Exactly! With universal health insurance now becoming more and more widespread, BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #253

Allow it...but educate against it. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #93

I'm all for that davidpdx Jan 2016 #200

Don't allow it...but educate against it. :) Hortensis Jan 2016 #229

So you should be able to buy a pot rbownie with your SNAP? anigbrowl Jan 2016 #198

"Hell, I would support banning the sale of soda period." This is more what I was responding to. nt el_bryanto Jan 2016 #236

I'm all for legalizing pot, but don't think people should be able to use SNAP benefits to pay for it MH1 Jan 2016 #279

Another one who wants to make the poor into role models for the rest of us profligates. WinkyDink Jan 2016 #285

I don't see anything wrong with a soft drink or two Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #2

I agree. murielm99 Jan 2016 #4

We never had soda growing up except for ginger ale when we were sick cali Jan 2016 #15

Yep. Or 7-UP, after extreme sessions of vomiting or diarrhea hunter Jan 2016 #184

It was the same way when I was growing up. SheilaT Jan 2016 #125

Pop was different back then arikara Jan 2016 #132

Actually, it is metabolized the same way. jeff47 Jan 2016 #173

Thank you rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #210

The prices at my local stores for 2 litres are about a dollar ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2016 #243

I used the price for a 12-pack, divided by 6. jeff47 Jan 2016 #247

You know that's BS right? rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #209

Oh really arikara Jan 2016 #258

I'm 74. As a kid, a Coke was a rare treat. trof Jan 2016 #146

What has that got to do with the OP's topic? Gas, stamps, and eggs were cheaper 3/4 of a centiry ago WinkyDink Jan 2016 #289

Are you just looking for trouble? jeez trof Jan 2016 #291

What does "a different matter" mean, in the context of the OP's query? WinkyDink Jan 2016 #286

yes JI7 Jan 2016 #3

Should you be able to buy meat with food stamps? Downwinder Jan 2016 #5

Yes. nt pnwmom Jan 2016 #16

The Beef Council sure makes sure you can. underpants Jan 2016 #31

It is a food industry subsidy program. Downwinder Jan 2016 #35

Yes. Meat has nutritional value. roody Jan 2016 #47

That's just not true Major Nikon Jan 2016 #159

You better be careful with that. ladyVet Jan 2016 #137

Food-shaming food stamp recipients does nobody any good. Maedhros Jan 2016 #156

Exactly nt Mojorabbit Jan 2016 #255

exactly. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #218

Yes, definitely oberliner Jan 2016 #6

I think you should be able to buy beer and wine LuvNewcastle Jan 2016 #7

Poor people do not need to have their lives micromanaged. Marrah_G Jan 2016 #8

This Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #10

No one banned poor people from having soda, just not with SNAP dollars. Use your own money as you Pisces Jan 2016 #19

If they are allotted SNAP dollars, then that is "their own money" Orrex Jan 2016 #20

and changing the status of soda would be an end to that hence- KittyWampus Jan 2016 #36

The discussion is fine. Orrex Jan 2016 #45

when it comes to nutrition, public health and soda, scientists DO know better> KittyWampus Jan 2016 #83

Are those scientists here? In this discussion thread? Let them stand and be recognized! Orrex Jan 2016 #91

It is sad how many people who claim to support the working class FrodosPet Jan 2016 #130

Yep Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #275

Yeah Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #213

Red meat in excess jen63 Jan 2016 #94

It is Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #212

Too bad it is not food. roody Jan 2016 #48

Too bad that's not up to you to decide. Orrex Jan 2016 #52

In other words ... Straw Man Jan 2016 #201

Buy what you want, but I agree that SNAP dollars should be spent on nutritious food ( soda does not Pisces Jan 2016 #239

How about ice cream? Pop tarts? Candy? Straw Man Jan 2016 #261

this is an issue on public policy. The whole idea of feeding programs is to keep people CTyankee Jan 2016 #11

Sorry, that is just crap Marrah_G Jan 2016 #24

Marrah, You Beat Me! ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #56

public health measures to help people is "crap"? CTyankee Jan 2016 #115

Helping people is fine. We should do more of it. ladyVet Jan 2016 #140

I agree. We should increase cash assistance and just get rid of SNAP. Let people CTyankee Jan 2016 #147

As a stamp user - it is not like it used to be. Food stamps jwirr Jan 2016 #172

This quote always comes to mind: etherealtruth Jan 2016 #143

then I assume you are, one of those above the rest of us who know more than others do CTyankee Jan 2016 #149

Was Mellville wrong? etherealtruth Jan 2016 #150

I have no idea what Melville's quote has to do with me...it is more to pump up your CTyankee Jan 2016 #153

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" etherealtruth Jan 2016 #157

You've attempted this red herring several times here without success Orrex Jan 2016 #223

+1 DawgHouse Jan 2016 #152

Ha, I just posted jen63 Jan 2016 #162

:-), it was my sig line here for years .... etherealtruth Jan 2016 #163

This thread jen63 Jan 2016 #168

Bring back the government cheese! Major Nikon Jan 2016 #160

I would have to agree with you here. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #176

It is also an issue of public policy when apples are MORE expensive than apple sauce nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #185

It's fascinating to me that you would do something you otherwise don't want Demit Jan 2016 #59

The food stamp program itself is micromanging. If is saying basically that recipients kelly1mm Jan 2016 #62

i agree with that. If the money is available it can just be given in cash benefits. CTyankee Jan 2016 #126

How is the absence of micromanagement working for them? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #84

That's a silly question no matter how many times it's asked Orrex Jan 2016 #95

A better question would be why juice and not soda Major Nikon Jan 2016 #174

My problem has nothing to do with money. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #189

I see the objective as far simpler Major Nikon Jan 2016 #245

Were that the case, it'd be called SDAP rather than SNAP. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #251

If that's all there was to it the programs would be far different Major Nikon Jan 2016 #264

I don't think there's any inherent indignity in eating nutritious foods lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #272

The indignity is telling people what they can and can't consume Major Nikon Jan 2016 #273

True about most of the juices having lots of sugar davidpdx Jan 2016 #202

Even without added sweeteners, filtered juices are nutritionally empty Major Nikon Jan 2016 #246

Micromanaged. In the early 50s my mother-in-law would jwirr Jan 2016 #170

That's not the problem anigbrowl Jan 2016 #199

I don't care about soda. I strongly feel that every state should allow feminine hygiene products pnwmom Jan 2016 #9

I am in favor of this. It is common sense to me and I don't know why it isn't public CTyankee Jan 2016 #12

That is absolutely 100% correct Orrex Jan 2016 #18

shameful that this is the situation in 2016 restorefreedom Jan 2016 #22

I agree. The problem is that food stamps roody Jan 2016 #51

Also, donate pads & tampons to shelters tammywammy Jan 2016 #71

As should toothpaste and brushes. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #86

Yes, you are right. They should. Tampons and pads are a much more significant pnwmom Jan 2016 #89

I agree Bettie Jan 2016 #110

One thing people can do to help missingthebigdog Jan 2016 #128

Good idea! Thanks! pnwmom Jan 2016 #129

100% agree. qwlauren35 Jan 2016 #182

Here's an article about that. As another poster mentioned, toothbrushes and toothpaste pnwmom Jan 2016 #183

It would be truly judgmental qwlauren35 Jan 2016 #186

Yes! pnwmom Jan 2016 #188

The N in SNAP is for Nutrition. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #14

that is a good list restorefreedom Jan 2016 #21

I don't think soda is poison in moderate amounts but I see it in terms of "best use of CTyankee Jan 2016 #121

there certainly are bigger issues restorefreedom Jan 2016 #127

It's standing in for "I care more about the poor because the government shouldn't be CTyankee Jan 2016 #131

I see this as the difference between educating and advocating, and mandating uppityperson Jan 2016 #197

i completely agree that they need more money restorefreedom Jan 2016 #249

No Freddie Jan 2016 #211

Perhaps the PAWIC approved list has improved since then because it rocks. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #235

Good to know, thanks! Freddie Jan 2016 #271

Should you be able to buy soda if you claim a mortgage tax credit? Orrex Jan 2016 #17

I don't get that just because we think our limited resources should go to good food CTyankee Jan 2016 #27

Because you're singling out a type of aid given exclusively to the poor Orrex Jan 2016 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #38

I'm not buying the "patronizing' argument. CTyankee Jan 2016 #74

It's a dog whistle, and you don't hear it because you're not the target of it. Orrex Jan 2016 #88

Seriously, jen63 Jan 2016 #98

DU has always had a contingent strongly advocating for Dickensian modes of poverty Orrex Jan 2016 #102

Oh brother! jen63 Jan 2016 #105

If they can't be happy with their daily bowl of gruel, then to heck with them. Orrex Jan 2016 #113

Your sanctimonious bullshit is just nauseating. CTyankee Jan 2016 #101

Wait--you're a patronizing blowhard who can't defend her self-righteous preaching? Orrex Jan 2016 #108

Can you truly not see ... Straw Man Jan 2016 #203

Bit different however whatthehey Jan 2016 #41

It was one example of many Orrex Jan 2016 #44

"They simply reduce your tax burden, not give you money collected from other people's tax burdens." JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #57

we're allowing nuance, contextual limitations and regulations on a federal program LanternWaste Jan 2016 #54

Yes (nt) bigwillq Jan 2016 #23

I would consider supporting it ONLY if the Ilsa Jan 2016 #25

It's a good idea! It would encourage health eating and of course help the farmers... CTyankee Jan 2016 #28

Yes. Iggo Jan 2016 #26

Every ban seems to only apply to poor people boobooday Jan 2016 #29

No, Food Stamps are not 'Charity'. They are given to assist citizens who need help KittyWampus Jan 2016 #30

I hear this argument all the time Bettie Jan 2016 #118

+1000!! jen63 Jan 2016 #134

how about we give more cash assistance in lieu of SNAP and how about every school CTyankee Jan 2016 #135

I can go with that Bettie Jan 2016 #139

Jesus Christ. ladyVet Jan 2016 #142

I know, right? Bettie Jan 2016 #187

God forbid Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #214

Soda pop, yes; H2O Man Jan 2016 #32

Yes. Stop trying to browbeat the poor for being poor. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #34

keeping the 'nutrition' in a nutrition program isn't browbeating. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #37

When you're demanding they behave the way you want, it is. jeff47 Jan 2016 #43

Public health advocates and scientists all agree soda leads to type 2 diabetes. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #85

And that still doesn't change that you are browbeating them for being poor. jeff47 Jan 2016 #122

Yes, let's control the poor even further, because....MY TAXES!! Poverty is bad for the health, too. WinkyDink Jan 2016 #290

Taking The N Too Literally ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #58

So let's take the N out. NobodyHere Jan 2016 #90

ok ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #96

You're one step away from an "approved foods list" ... Straw Man Jan 2016 #205

It is when one wants to ban the poor from simple pleasures available to, say, YOU. WinkyDink Jan 2016 #287

Very slippery slope, where many foods are hamrful taken in excess bhikkhu Jan 2016 #39

I had the same question hfojvt Jan 2016 #68

Food stamps have the odor of paternalism exboyfil Jan 2016 #40

I think people on food stamps have the ability to choose for themselves. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #42

The fact that there are 'food stamps' at all as opposed to unrestricted grants kind kelly1mm Jan 2016 #69

I agree. And, I believe that shouldn't be the case. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #72

I agree with you. femmocrat Jan 2016 #76

No... TipTok Jan 2016 #49

Is that how YOU eat every meal? jen63 Jan 2016 #103

No, but I purchase my food with my salary... TipTok Jan 2016 #111

So? jen63 Jan 2016 #114

It's reasonable to have an allowable purchases list... TipTok Jan 2016 #116

No, it's really not. jen63 Jan 2016 #119

No one is suggesting that is the singular solution... TipTok Jan 2016 #120

What are your other common sense jen63 Jan 2016 #123

I'd love to be that check-out person Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #215

Awkward indeed.... TipTok Jan 2016 #220

The problem is Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #221

Are you suggesting that oversight of govt funds... TipTok Jan 2016 #237

Garbage Orrex Jan 2016 #248

Hardly... TipTok Jan 2016 #254

Again, garbage. Orrex Jan 2016 #256

I can walk and chew gum at the same time... TipTok Jan 2016 #257

Your bullshit analogy remains bullshit Orrex Jan 2016 #259

That is some amazing and logical analysis you have presented there... TipTok Jan 2016 #260

You have proven yourself unworthy greater effort Orrex Jan 2016 #262

You equate accountability and basic fiscal responsibility with 'beating on the poor'? TipTok Jan 2016 #266

Your notion of "accountability and basic fiscal responsiblity" equals beating on the poor. Orrex Jan 2016 #267

You just haven't adequately explained... TipTok Jan 2016 #268

Pssst.......Your right wing is showing. DLevine Jan 2016 #269

No Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #276

I see, poor people are just wayward children who DLevine Jan 2016 #222

No. cwydro Jan 2016 #50

On water exboyfil Jan 2016 #53

Good point! cwydro Jan 2016 #63

Most juices are full of sugar as well davidpdx Jan 2016 #204

Yeah Dorian Gray Jan 2016 #216

Craft Beer is certainly more nutritious than Coke, but it's not available under SNAP. leveymg Jan 2016 #55

Didn't The Egyptian Crafts People. . . ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #60

Yes, I've heard that recently. Beer also has an advantage over water - less likely to kill you. leveymg Jan 2016 #66

Water has no nutritional value but can be bought with SNAP Orrex Jan 2016 #64

I people want to buy beverages with zero nutrional benefit, they can use their own funds. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #61

Noooooooo Faux pas Jan 2016 #65

Yes - just as they should be able to purchase the occasional sweet. haele Jan 2016 #67

I was making the same point in my reply up thread about juices davidpdx Jan 2016 #206

Why do affluent people think it's their duty to tell impoverished people how to live? hunter Jan 2016 #70

^^Thread win Orrex Jan 2016 #80

Further, Conch Jan 2016 #92

Best response yet! eom fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #100

Thank you! jen63 Jan 2016 #109

+1 leftstreet Jan 2016 #124

+1 Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #274

Then the government will decide you can't buy meat or sugar or whatever. Sam_Fields Jan 2016 #73

Here's what would be next off the eligibility list davidpdx Jan 2016 #207

Is soda classified as food? Then the answer is yes. Gormy Cuss Jan 2016 #75

not again. . .I find all the rationalizations for micromanaging poor people coming from a niyad Jan 2016 #77

Yes. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #78

If your argument is a lie you lose... catnhatnh Jan 2016 #79

"...puritan bullshit wrapped in the pretty paper of "health concern"." Iggo Jan 2016 #99

Not a priority, though I know it is to congress. betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #81

This discussion again! I think it should be full cash grants and do away with the stigma My Good Babushka Jan 2016 #82

Would you deny a food stamp recipient a little ginger ale for an upset stomach? Vinca Jan 2016 #87

Why ban soda for poor people only. Why not ban it for the rich? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #97

I'm actually on food stamps shenmue Jan 2016 #104

None of my business what people buy with their SNAP benefits Bettie Jan 2016 #106

Paternalism at its worst! markpkessinger Jan 2016 #107

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #112

OMG... CTyankee Jan 2016 #117

Should they be able to buy booze or cigs with food stamps? ErikJ Jan 2016 #133

I really wish people would stop telling poor people DLevine Jan 2016 #136

It's like walking into a fundie site when people here start talking about the poor. ladyVet Jan 2016 #144

There was an article all around DU a while back about how people on food stamps gollygee Jan 2016 #138

That's becasue when you have very little Bettie Jan 2016 #141

I live in a poor area. Warpy Jan 2016 #155

I like a soda every so often Skittles Jan 2016 #145

Empathy MissB Jan 2016 #181

The real question is why are SNAP benefits so low? madinmaryland Jan 2016 #148

^^^ best answer^^^ etherealtruth Jan 2016 #151

Because the S stands for Supplemental TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #161

You obviously did not read my post... madinmaryland Jan 2016 #164

Yeah, because infantilizing other people by making their choices for them works SO well Warpy Jan 2016 #154

Where do we draw the line? HassleCat Jan 2016 #158

That was my question jen63 Jan 2016 #166

As a long time user of food stamps I would like to see that jwirr Jan 2016 #165

You are right get the red out Jan 2016 #228

Yes, paternalism towards poor people is disgusting. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #167

Holy moly--where have you been? Orrex Jan 2016 #225

Busy with life. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #226

It should be nutritional food, similar to what you can get with WIC. I knew someone on food Luciferous Jan 2016 #169

That shouldn't be allowed. cpwm17 Jan 2016 #195

Conditional Compassion kentauros Jan 2016 #171

No, just meat scraps and broccoli stumps. That's it. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #175

And no breakfast, poor people don't need breakfast firebrand80 Jan 2016 #179

Yes, I think there is a point treestar Jan 2016 #177

Yes, what I see here is a demonstration by the Chronically Morally Outraged and CTyankee Jan 2016 #191

+1 lovemydog Jan 2016 #192

That's nonsense Orrex Jan 2016 #250

In a nutshell no. JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #178

Of course. Should you be able to buy candy, snacks, meat, processed foods? What about organic as uppityperson Jan 2016 #180

why wouldn't organic foods be fine re SNAP? CTyankee Jan 2016 #193

Because they cost more, are not cost effective. I don't think there should be uppityperson Jan 2016 #196

What about sugared cereal, cake, fruit flavored drinks with mega sugar , salty snacks really why Person 2713 Jan 2016 #190

Should people who are not on food stamps be able to buy soda? lovemydog Jan 2016 #194

I haven't bought soda in years and don't think anyone should, esp. not anyone merrily Jan 2016 #208

When I was a deputy buying soda with food stamps was a big fraud problem Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #217

If we went back to the Poor House system we could monitor and control these sorts of people Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #219

Finally, a voice of reason! Orrex Jan 2016 #224

And if they're to die Bettie Jan 2016 #232

We could contract with the giant food corporations to develop a cheap, nutritious, dry food... hunter Jan 2016 #241

We could just recycle them. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #242

Soda Pop isn't healthy or nutrious. romanic Jan 2016 #227

what's wrong with just cash assistance and let folks figure out the budget that best suits CTyankee Jan 2016 #230

Technically, I think that cash assistance and SNAP Bettie Jan 2016 #233

But it can be reassuring when you work it all out. Of course, there can be curve balls CTyankee Jan 2016 #234

An emergency fund is a pipe dream luxury for much of the population Orrex Jan 2016 #244

You know, there is potential for abuse in just about everything notadmblnd Jan 2016 #231

everybody should be taught in school about nutrition. Just a straight up course to all students, CTyankee Jan 2016 #265

Many people on food stamps are so broke they can't afford much in the way of OregonBlue Jan 2016 #238

"Should You Be Able to Buy Soda With Food Stamps?" NCTraveler Jan 2016 #240

Yes, of course they should. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #252

What's next, require them to wear pink underwear along with sackcloth and ashes? 47of74 Jan 2016 #263

Yes; however, Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #270

Soda should be a treat. liberal N proud Jan 2016 #277

Why not let everyone make their own food choices? DLevine Jan 2016 #278

The WIC program does not ban anyone from buying specific food or non-food, it only pays for specific liberal N proud Jan 2016 #280

Let's ban sugar. For everyone, of course. DLevine Jan 2016 #281

Who said anything about banning anything? liberal N proud Jan 2016 #282

My point is that if soda, sugar, etc, are available for purchase, DLevine Jan 2016 #288

The poor SHOULD be limited in their choices. Oh, wait...... WinkyDink Jan 2016 #284

Qu'ils mangent de la brioche! Make the poor behave as we say, not as we do. WinkyDink Jan 2016 #283