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TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
29. I don't find guns and cigarettes to be an apt comparison
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jan 2016

Setting aside the fact that ownership of one is protected by the Constitution, the tobacco companies lied for years about the dangers of tobacco, ultimately losing lawsuits on the issue, and the government ultimately required warning labels explaining the dangers. I doubt anyone is unaware of the fact that if someone shoots you with a gun that it is at the very least going to hurt and potentially cause death, and if they don't realize this then I question their intelligence.

And gun ownership is increasing while public support for stricter gun control laws is decreasing. There is broad support for the actions taken by President Obama but support for stricter gun control laws is at best pretty evenly divided. See this poll - http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/views-gun-control-polling-summary-poll/story?id=36096424, or this one - http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/21/politics/gun-control-poll-americans/index.html. As others have pointed out, gun ownership rights are vastly expanding at the state level. For example, Texas became the 44th (or 45th?) state to permit open carry of firearms.

Of course, there is disagreement over the impact of gun control laws -- I tend to think that they do some good, and those like the president proposed are worth pursuing -- but the reality is that much of the gun violence isn't directly related to gun control laws. For example, Vermont has some of the most permissive gun control laws in the country but the murder rate is relatively low, while the District of Columbia and Chicago historically had some of the most restrictive gun laws and still suffered from some of the highest murder rates in the country.

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Two Reasons: DetlefK Jan 2016 #1
IMO, it's mostly $$$$$$$$. Vinca Jan 2016 #2
If you look at the numbers the NRA isn't that big a player finacially Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #7
The fact that they will get you tossed out of congress if you cross them. PeteSelman Jan 2016 #3
A politician $tand$ firmly behind hi$ Spon$or$ hobbit709 Jan 2016 #4
Money (of course) and the implicit threat of unleashed zombie voters . . . hatrack Jan 2016 #5
Its huge membership numbers that are politically active. Gun control advocates largely don't Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #6
And their members are spread out, while those in favor of gun control tend to be packed into Freddie Stubbs Jan 2016 #10
Surely A Counter Force Of Gun Control Advocates Can Be Put Together To Rival The NRA..... global1 Jan 2016 #13
Gun control advocates have been trying that for decades Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #14
Well You Convinced Me - We Should Just Give Up Trying.......(sarcasm)nt global1 Jan 2016 #17
You have to make people care enough to act Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #19
I'm Thinking That The Number Of Mass Shootings And Terrorist Activities We Been Experiencing..... global1 Jan 2016 #22
Gun control advocates outspent RKBA supporters in Colorado Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #31
NRA followers will vote on a that single issue d_r Jan 2016 #26
Good post TeddyR Jan 2016 #28
Primaries for Senate and House seats, mostly republican aikoaiko Jan 2016 #8
in gerrymandered house districts d_r Jan 2016 #27
The ability to get them voted out of their cushy jobs Lurks Often Jan 2016 #9
Death threats? RandiFan1290 Jan 2016 #11
They can mobilize voters, especially people that do not regularly vote. hack89 Jan 2016 #12
It's the 50-90 million gun owners that aren't members they fear. ileus Jan 2016 #15
And What's The Population Of The U.S.?..... global1 Jan 2016 #16
Most non-gun owners are apathetic at best on the issue Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #18
The NRA Didn't Get To Where They Are Today Without A Good Marketing Campaign To Get The Support..... global1 Jan 2016 #23
I don't find guns and cigarettes to be an apt comparison TeddyR Jan 2016 #29
Strong, organized, motivated and numerous single issue voters... TipTok Jan 2016 #20
Dinero. Iggo Jan 2016 #21
Its people. beevul Jan 2016 #24
Seriously? LOL! Gawdless Pinko Lib Jan 2016 #25
I always assume it was simply another fashionable way to be inclusive Johonny Jan 2016 #30
Soylent Green Octafish Jan 2016 #32
3.5 million in lobbying and 28 million in outside spending LanternWaste Jan 2016 #33
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