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Xithras

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67. In most middle eastern cultures, it's unacceptable for women to party in public.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jan 2016

Those that do are generally seen as the "loose morals" variety.

The problem here is a common Middle Eastern view of women (and this isn't just a Muslim thing...I've known plenty of Assyrians and Chaldeans who do the same thing). Basically, an assault against a woman isn't an assault against the woman, but an assault against her family, her father and brothers, and their honor. It's the same cultural worldview that condones women being executed for having sex out of wedlock, or even for being raped. According to their cultural mores, you don't assault women because it dishonors their families, and because the families of the victim will push for your prosecution (or worse). Women are property. Women have no rights on their own.

When you are raised to believe that women have no rights beyond what they are granted by the men in their family, you don't automatically start respecting them when you cross a national border. When you are told your entire life that European fathers don't care about their daughters "morals" and that they aren't dishonored by their daughters sleeping around, you don't suddenly begin seeing women as capable of choosing their own moral pathways simply because a nation accepts you into their fold.

If you are raised to believe that women shouldn't be assaulted because it dishonors their families, and you move to a nation where womens behavior doesn't reflect on their families honor (or where the very concept of family honor is absent), you've created a situation where the moral bias against assault has been removed.

Cultural re-education is the only solution here. They need to be taught that their previous cultural beliefs vis-a-vis womens rights were simply WRONG and need to be updated. There is no room for tolerance or cultural understanding on some topics like this one.

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WTF is going on in Europe? smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #1
I doubt these are Europeans doing this. Elmergantry Jan 2016 #2
Yep. 840high Jan 2016 #3
No, I didn't think it was native Europeans, but this does seem to smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #6
If the victims are to be believed.... philosslayer Jan 2016 #9
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So you are doubting the women now, openly joining these men you keep defending? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Jan 2016 #56
Riiiight. Hundreds of women conspired to lie about this. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #20
Kind of like all of Bill Cosby's victims? bullwinkle428 Jan 2016 #22
Your routine is getting tiresome and obvious nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #30
That dime a post is probably important to him, neh? n/t Shandris Jan 2016 #64
this is performance art--a wingnut who takes what he perceives to be the most crazy leftwing geek tragedy Jan 2016 #66
Yep GummyBearz Jan 2016 #74
yeah they're all just a bunch of islamphobic liars. romanic Jan 2016 #33
Your defense - in many posts already leftynyc Jan 2016 #42
It's not coordinated, it's CULTURAL. The only exposure to western women these ME guys have had underahedgerow Jan 2016 #26
I knew some guys from Egypt in college. arely staircase Jan 2016 #35
Well, when all people know is a conservative, sexually repressive society Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #55
Islamic Fatwas permitting rape of non-Sunni women. DhhD Jan 2016 #39
Something about this reminds me of the story of the overthrow of Mossadeqh lostnfound Jan 2016 #37
In most middle eastern cultures, it's unacceptable for women to party in public. Xithras Jan 2016 #67
if they are criminals they need to be deported Skittles Jan 2016 #76
A culture clash. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #18
Culture clash my ass 6chars Jan 2016 #46
Please don't get me wrong. These attacks are undoubtedly evil. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #48
We need to hold these people to human standards not animal standards 6chars Jan 2016 #57
They come from countries where women have Tipperary Jan 2016 #40
They heard how easy and uninhibited all those Euro chicks are Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #53
More migrant bashing and blaming philosslayer Jan 2016 #5
Oh bullshit! This might not be new migrants, but it is definitely smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #7
Oh really? philosslayer Jan 2016 #8
And yet you, not a resident of Helsinki attemtp to 'enlighten'. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #13
I would be glad too... Elmergantry Jan 2016 #14
Do you want to see an example of how muslim men treat European women? smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #15
Now that is disturbing. cali Jan 2016 #44
At least one of the bystanders stepped in to help 6chars Jan 2016 #47
I don't think that treatment is specific to European women. Bonx Jan 2016 #51
And the men stood by and watched. LittleBlue Jan 2016 #59
Do you? You can refute the reports (FROM that city) with actual observation? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #19
Why are people assuming it was not Finnish men? 6chars Jan 2016 #38
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #17
Let's make this very clear philosslayer Jan 2016 #28
It's a religion that appears to controls women drastically flamingdem Jan 2016 #32
A small minority? Separation Jan 2016 #34
Immigrants are guilty until mwrguy Jan 2016 #27
What is wrong with DUers who defend rape if it's done by certain groups? Democat Jan 2016 #36
^^This^^ ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #54
Muslim refugees/migrants = BAD. Sometimes it seems we are trying to be more anti-Muslim pampango Jan 2016 #41
Realistically, single young men are going to be categorically geek tragedy Jan 2016 #49
Bullshit leftynyc Jan 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jan 2016 #16
Agree with everything except Yupster Jan 2016 #21
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #23
Somehow I think that if a scientific study was done Yupster Jan 2016 #24
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #25
Yet the countries where men have statistically the smallest dicks Yupster Jan 2016 #29
It's a joke AlbertCat Jan 2016 #71
In their culture women being out uncovered is cause for those kinds of attacks flamingdem Jan 2016 #31
Ladies - time to carry baseball leftynyc Jan 2016 #45
Yes by all means philosslayer Jan 2016 #52
Absolutely leftynyc Jan 2016 #60
pepper spray / mace would be more discrete 6chars Jan 2016 #62
Pepper spray is good leftynyc Jan 2016 #63
A pattern seems to be emerging GummyBearz Jan 2016 #50
Norway is already on it 6chars Jan 2016 #61
When a Rotten Apple is Introduced to the Basket... SDJay Jan 2016 #58
Think about this a little more critically RunInCircles Jan 2016 #65
Social media? 6chars Jan 2016 #68
So why are all of those men willing patsies of some mystery agenda, kid? You paint them as if they Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #69
Another idiotic "false flag" post. It's really as simple as that men in the middle east grow up geek tragedy Jan 2016 #70
It's far past time for the laughable myth of "cultural relativism" hifiguy Jan 2016 #72
the more equal the women, the more superior the culture Skittles Jan 2016 #73
That is as accurate a one-issue benchmark hifiguy Jan 2016 #75
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