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MohRokTah

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74. The issue is not real and is completely insignificant.

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:12 PM

Jan 2016

There are two forms of citizenship in the United States. One is natural born or a citizen at birth. The other is naturalized.

Cruz was a citizen at birth.

End of discussion.

The courts won't touch it. Not a single court in the federal system ruled on whether or not Barack Obama is a natural born citizen. More than 140 cases questioning that status were thrown out due to a lack of standing and the SCOTUS rejected certiorari on every case.

It is not a question of law. The actions of the courts make this clear. This is a matter of politics. In fact, the constitution is very clear, the courts have no jurisdiction in determining eligibility. It is the Congress that makes that determination at the reading of the electoral votes. IT would be in fact, unconstitutional for the courts to make a ruling on eligibility.

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Grayson vows to file lawsuit on Cruz citizenship [View all] MADem Jan 2016 OP

Grayson is an idiot jberryhill Jan 2016 #1

You can sue a ham sandwich. Doesn't mean you'll prevail, but you can do it. MADem Jan 2016 #5

It's not about "prevailing" jberryhill Jan 2016 #7

Did I say it was about prevailing? I said pretty much the opposite I thought--unless MADem Jan 2016 #16

Lots of attorneys are dumb mythology Jan 2016 #22

"ANYTHING that disrupts that crew of assholes is Fine With Me. " jberryhill Jan 2016 #58

This isn't about "principles." It's a fair question. MADem Jan 2016 #64

"Or are those Canadians just so mellow that they allow non-citizens to vote?" jberryhill Jan 2016 #68

It used to be, that if you took "other" citizenship, and swore an oath of loyalty to another nation, MADem Jan 2016 #75

No requirement SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #84

Really? MADem Jan 2016 #88

It says "should" SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #90

That's the spirit--these are the kinds of questions that need to be asked. MADem Jan 2016 #101

Kind of sad that you're so unsure of the ability of a Democrat to win SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #107

That sounds like a sea lion if I ever heard one!!!! MADem Jan 2016 #110

They apparently know it better than you do n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #111

Look up the meme, or don't. nt MADem Jan 2016 #113

You do realize leftynyc Jan 2016 #59

Naaah....Grayson can do what he wants. MADem Jan 2016 #77

No - because now leftynyc Jan 2016 #83

No, they can't. Trump is on the anti-Cruz bandwagon too--he and Grayson are birds of a feather. nt MADem Jan 2016 #89

Yes they can leftynyc Jan 2016 #91

Look, if they're stirring shit about Ted "Canadian Carnival" Cruz, it's all good. MADem Jan 2016 #93

I'm "fretting" leftynyc Jan 2016 #94

Oh please, the vast majority of America doesn't get down in the weeds like that. MADem Jan 2016 #97

It's theater. herding cats Jan 2016 #8

Maybe it is more than theater. We'll have to see. MADem Jan 2016 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author herding cats Jan 2016 #43

That still doesn't make Alan Grayson a proper plaintiff to a suit jberryhill Jan 2016 #52

But in the 1970s, Canada did require serveral forms to be filled out and turned in to both DhhD Jan 2016 #69

What Canada required is irrelevant jberryhill Jan 2016 #71

I think it depends entirely on what those forms say. MADem Jan 2016 #78

Who actually has standing? Would it be an opponent in the race? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #116

It may be "non-justiciable" jberryhill Jan 2016 #139

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 earthside Jan 2016 #35

I think there's nothing wrong with looking into it. MADem Jan 2016 #44

I think it is a serious issue. earthside Jan 2016 #53

Where is the SCOTUS ruling that "he" means "she" in Article II? jberryhill Jan 2016 #60

Oh, come off it! MADem Jan 2016 #80

"In custom and practice, that is the case" jberryhill Jan 2016 #138

Hey, go on and file a challenge, if you seriously believe you'll prevail! MADem Jan 2016 #142

Well poisoning jberryhill Jan 2016 #143

Well, if it's stupid, you've nothing to be afraid of then! MADem Jan 2016 #146

You seem to think I'm a federal judge jberryhill Jan 2016 #149

I don't "think" you're anything. You're a 'bel fromage' representation of la vache qui rit, MADem Jan 2016 #154

Jury results pintobean Jan 2016 #148

Some people are pretty thick jberryhill Jan 2016 #150

Oh dear you think they don't get it Kalidurga Jan 2016 #201

More than 100 of these suits have been kicked out on standing jberryhill Jan 2016 #50

We'll have to wait and see, then won't we? I can stand the suspense....! MADem Jan 2016 #130

I agree. still_one Jan 2016 #76

You need standing to bring such a suit? I though anyone could file a lawsuit again anyone or anythin Rex Jan 2016 #103

I'm suing you for making me laugh. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #144

Goodluck I already wear a barrel! Rex Jan 2016 #194

serious question, who does have standing ? steve2470 Jan 2016 #190

I've been saying he's the liberal Trump--here's your proof nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #2

I'd rather democrats stay away from birther nonsense.nt sufrommich Jan 2016 #3

You'd best alert the White House to your POV, then--they've had a field day with this. MADem Jan 2016 #162

Fucking stupid. The shine has worn off Grayson's activism. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #4

Why does Grayson continue to embarrass himself this way? eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #6

Actually, for once in his life, it looks like he's carrying White House water! MADem Jan 2016 #163

Maybe, but when this is debunked, and I suspect it will be, GGJohn Jan 2016 #164

Did you read the headline? The WH is TROLLING Cruz. MADem Jan 2016 #165

You're right, I mis-read your post. GGJohn Jan 2016 #171

Grayson, meet shark KamaAina Jan 2016 #9

Uh oh....that's what TED CRUZ tried to say on his twitter feed..... MADem Jan 2016 #177

What the hell would Ted Cruz know aboot sharks, eh? KamaAina Jan 2016 #186

OK, now he's just looking like an idiot. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #10

Teds MOM became a Canadian citzen. greg1024 Jan 2016 #11

Grayson's not lookin' so stooopid now, is he!!!!!! MADem Jan 2016 #17

Cruz's mother seems to have been living in Delaware in 1940 csziggy Jan 2016 #33

Is Canadian voting based on residency or citizenship? Retrograde Jan 2016 #34

I do not know about the time when she voted awake Jan 2016 #129

As of 1960 Citizenship apparently was required to vote csziggy Jan 2016 #135

Don't bring in facts, you rabid Cruz supporter you jberryhill Jan 2016 #152

Actually I originally thought this was silly csziggy Jan 2016 #159

Bernie Sander's brother is running for office in the UK jberryhill Jan 2016 #167

I have no interest in how the UK runs their elections nt csziggy Jan 2016 #169

Ah, but what about his family's foreign interests? jberryhill Jan 2016 #173

Raw Story can take it over csziggy Jan 2016 #174

Your contributions to this thread have been nothing short of SUPERB. MADem Jan 2016 #181

Thanks - I just like finding the facts csziggy Jan 2016 #192

This is an adapted anti-Semitic smear jberryhill Jan 2016 #151

MADem has merely adapted this set piece of anti semitic lore. MADem Jan 2016 #168

No. I said it is a modified anti-Semitic smear jberryhill Jan 2016 #172

Anyone reading this thread can see what you're trying to do, and you really are disgracing yourself. MADem Jan 2016 #182

Wonder where they were living in 1935? North or south of the border? MADem Jan 2016 #37

On April 1, 1935 the family was living in the "same place" csziggy Jan 2016 #132

Yes, there used to be a ton of back-and-forth. Heck, New Hampshire, in my lifetime, was MADem Jan 2016 #133

Yeah, he still looks stupid n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #86

Does the White House look stupid, too? nt MADem Jan 2016 #170

If they're saying that Cruz's eligibility to be President should be questioned SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #176

I'm glad that most liberals that I know aren't humorless scolds. MADem Jan 2016 #188

I'm glad that none of the liberals I know are birthers n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #191

What goes around comes around and Obama was born malaise Jan 2016 #141

It's been a while since one of his staffers posted a fundraising thread on here. tammywammy Jan 2016 #12

The staffer that did that is probably the same one who is now running against his girlfirend MADem Jan 2016 #134

good for grayson saturnsring Jan 2016 #13

Just replace your first "Grayson" with "Florida Man." NCTraveler Jan 2016 #14

Would you still say that if it's determined his mother took out Canadian citizenship? nt MADem Jan 2016 #18

Yes. That comment reflects how I view Grayson at most times. Not just this instance. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #19

He DOES have "something better to do with his time." MADem Jan 2016 #21

I don't think Grayson cares one single bit about what the White House wants. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #23

Are you kidding? MADem Jan 2016 #24

Not sure what a picture of him being sworn in has to do with any of it. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #25

Let me try again. Look at THE WOMAN. nt MADem Jan 2016 #26

Have fun. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #30

You don't know who she is, do you? nt MADem Jan 2016 #38

Yes, I do. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #42

Then you should be able to pull the $tring and make the connection$. nt MADem Jan 2016 #46

Correct. Grayson is always about Grayson. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #47

That's not the point. Follow the money. nt MADem Jan 2016 #51

Who is she? NT KatyMan Jan 2016 #48

Went with the first unadvertised link when I googled her. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #55

She is an EXTREMELY wealthy woman, with deep pockets, who is a "friend" to many Democrats. MADem Jan 2016 #66

That's about as credible as the "Obama's mother went to Kenya to give birth" bullshit. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #29

Not the same at all. We KNOW Cruz was born in Canada. We KNOW it. MADem Jan 2016 #39

We KNOW his mother is and always has been a US Citizen. We KNOW it! MohRokTah Jan 2016 #41

That's why she was a registered voter in CANADA....?? MADem Jan 2016 #49

She WASN'T a registered voter in Canada. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #54

It wouldn't matter anyway jberryhill Jan 2016 #63

You're sure? nt MADem Jan 2016 #81

Here is a fact you don't understand jberryhill Jan 2016 #61

If he was born of a Canadian citizen-mother in Canada, and his birth wasn't registered at an embassy MADem Jan 2016 #85

Where is your proof that his mother was a Canadian citizen? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #92

You'll have to get that from the wingnuts--they're the ones who are publishing the MADem Jan 2016 #95

Four years after Cruz was born SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #96

What else YOU got? MADem Jan 2016 #99

It has nothing to do with defending Cruz SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #104

I'd love to see Democrats spend as much effort "not defending" Democrats....! MADem Jan 2016 #108

DWS is eligible to vote in Israeli elections jberryhill Jan 2016 #153

Wow--now you're being OVERT! Who knew? MADem Jan 2016 #155

I'm saying that when you deploy the xenophobic genie jberryhill Jan 2016 #166

Oh, let's not be cute. I see what you're doing, and it is ugly. Tsk, tsk--and you're a LAWYER? MADem Jan 2016 #175

I don't get what's so knuckle-headed hard about this whole thing... countryjake Jan 2016 #185

What a tool... TipTok Jan 2016 #15

Oh, geez! HassleCat Jan 2016 #27

Grayson is a birther moron. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #28

I believe you are mistaken. Very mistaken! unc70 Jan 2016 #72

The issue is not real and is completely insignificant. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #74

There was no question that Obama was natural born. unc70 Jan 2016 #82

+1,000! nt MADem Jan 2016 #119

It was clear with McCain. former9thward Jan 2016 #189

Those suits dismissed for lack of standing, not merits unc70 Jan 2016 #210

This can only help Cruz. stupid, stupid, stupid. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #31

Yeah, get it out there! ananda Jan 2016 #32

Stupid Grayson. 840high Jan 2016 #36

Dumb. Grayson is just a much a fool as Cruz is. (Nt) bigwillq Jan 2016 #40

Giving that bastard back exactly what he's served up is fine, in my book! countryjake Jan 2016 #45

That is fucking stupid. arely staircase Jan 2016 #56

STFU Grayson leftynyc Jan 2016 #57

Grayson needs to drop this nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #62

If the WHITE HOUSE can "troll" Cruz over this issue, then even Grayson can, too. MADem Jan 2016 #161

Grayson's politics are very good, but he is a mean-spirited, rotten human being Reter Jan 2016 #65

My step daughter was born in Peru. summerschild Jan 2016 #67

I know people who were told all their life that cats take away babies' breath jberryhill Jan 2016 #70

Yep. I've heard that one but never believed it. summerschild Jan 2016 #73

People who are older remember this--it was a common thing that was told to those born abroad. MADem Jan 2016 #115

McCain even used the term "foreign soil" when he was talking about Cruz. countryjake Jan 2016 #123

Especially since Cruz was one of the goader-baiters re: Obama being born on US soil to a MADem Jan 2016 #126

Yup! countryjake Jan 2016 #128

oh, help me rhonda restorefreedom Jan 2016 #79

It's not settled law. Period. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #87

That's ALL I'm sayin' too! I've never seen anyone actually take this kind of thing to court! MADem Jan 2016 #105

Damn libodem Jan 2016 #98

Wait...why? His mommy is Made in America. Rex Jan 2016 #100

That's the spirit! At last--someone 'gets' it! nt MADem Jan 2016 #102

I guess my suit against Father Time won't make it very far in a courtroom. Rex Jan 2016 #106

No, but you have every right to sue Father Time if you'd like!!! MADem Jan 2016 #118

Land of the Free! Personally I like knowing I can bring suit against the dodo bird! Rex Jan 2016 #121

Who is Obama chasing in that gif in your sig line? MADem Jan 2016 #124

He is after Teddy. It is great...HAD to add it to the collection! Rex Jan 2016 #136

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MADem Jan 2016 #137

That was after Cruz made some comment about Obama "saying it to his face" Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #145

It gave me my Good Laugh of the Day, that gif!!! nt MADem Jan 2016 #147

Why must Democrats compete with Republicans as to who is more ridiculous? guillaumeb Jan 2016 #109

Who's competing? MADem Jan 2016 #112

Only one parent must be a US citizen to confer citizenship on the children. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #114

Now let's find out if that parent was a US citizen, and registered that birth abroad! MADem Jan 2016 #117

The birth does not have to be registered immediately. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #120

Look at that--ONE interpretation!!! Think there might be others? MADem Jan 2016 #122

It sounds to me like the Framers already decided. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #125

Then you shouldn't be 'worried' about what the Supremes might say, then! MADem Jan 2016 #127

The Constitutional requirement isn't "U.S. Citizen" DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #131

There are only two species of citizen jberryhill Jan 2016 #140

The Supreme Court interprets the Constitution DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #158

Male and female? guillaumeb Jan 2016 #196

How is Cruz able to run for President of the USA? Iliyah Jan 2016 #156

Does Grayson need attention...I'm so over this guy. Historic NY Jan 2016 #157

No one (outside of DU) has ever heard of him. He's a big splash in a small pond. MADem Jan 2016 #160

I think it's a mistake acting like GOPer Birthers. Can't stand Cruz, but such threats are chilldish. Hoyt Jan 2016 #178

There is a difference DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #179

I'm tired of GOP dirty tricks. Our doing the same, won't help. I'm sure Trump or other Hoyt Jan 2016 #183

I guess I just don't see the "dirty trick" aspect to it DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #193

The White House is having fun with this....why can't you? MADem Jan 2016 #180

Grayson gives us a bad name, nothing funny about him. I admit Born Near USA is hilarious. Hoyt Jan 2016 #184

He's just a member of the Cuban Calgary Canadian Carnival Cruz Chorus. MADem Jan 2016 #187

Sweet! We have our own birthers now. hughee99 Jan 2016 #195

If I say Arnold Schwarzenegger is ineligible to run for President of the United States DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #197

No, that makes you right. n/t hughee99 Jan 2016 #198

There is no legal precedent DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #199

Which is why your "governator" example hughee99 Jan 2016 #200

That doesn't make any sense. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #204

While Cruz has a claim, Arnold has none, that's why the two hughee99 Jan 2016 #205

All of which were summarily dismissed. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #206

As the "Kenya" theory lawsuit would have been, or lawsuits against McCain were. hughee99 Jan 2016 #207

You don't know how the law works. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #208

Yes, but I have a great sense of how condescension works. hughee99 Jan 2016 #209

Where are the pictures of Ted Cruz's mom (Eleanor Darragh Wilson) 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #202

I have only seen one.... MADem Jan 2016 #203

Might as well question everything Jan 2016 #211

I don't think much of Grayson, given the way he screwed over his staffer in favor of his MADem Jan 2016 #212