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132. On April 1, 1935 the family was living in the "same place"

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:06 PM

Jan 2016

The census came from FamilySearch.org: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRZN-64F

The other info is from Ancestry.

My great great grandfather's family including my great grandfather and my grandmother moved to Canada for a while, 1890-~1894. One of my great uncles was born there and in biographies he is listed as Canadian - he was pretty famous for his football playing both for University of Michigan and in the early NFL and he became a sought after football official. I have never found any passport information for the family, never found any paperwork to "naturalize" that great uncle, nothing. He ran for office as a Republican in the post war years and I think he may have been a city councilman in Buffalo, NY for a while.

No one ever questioned that he was an American. His entire family was American, never applied for citizenship in Canada, and returned to Michigan after a few years going bankrupt with a sawmill on Vancouver Island. But that was a long time ago and borders were more porous and things were very different.

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Grayson vows to file lawsuit on Cruz citizenship [View all] MADem Jan 2016 OP

Grayson is an idiot jberryhill Jan 2016 #1

You can sue a ham sandwich. Doesn't mean you'll prevail, but you can do it. MADem Jan 2016 #5

It's not about "prevailing" jberryhill Jan 2016 #7

Did I say it was about prevailing? I said pretty much the opposite I thought--unless MADem Jan 2016 #16

Lots of attorneys are dumb mythology Jan 2016 #22

"ANYTHING that disrupts that crew of assholes is Fine With Me. " jberryhill Jan 2016 #58

This isn't about "principles." It's a fair question. MADem Jan 2016 #64

"Or are those Canadians just so mellow that they allow non-citizens to vote?" jberryhill Jan 2016 #68

It used to be, that if you took "other" citizenship, and swore an oath of loyalty to another nation, MADem Jan 2016 #75

No requirement SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #84

Really? MADem Jan 2016 #88

It says "should" SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #90

That's the spirit--these are the kinds of questions that need to be asked. MADem Jan 2016 #101

Kind of sad that you're so unsure of the ability of a Democrat to win SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #107

That sounds like a sea lion if I ever heard one!!!! MADem Jan 2016 #110

They apparently know it better than you do n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #111

Look up the meme, or don't. nt MADem Jan 2016 #113

You do realize leftynyc Jan 2016 #59

Naaah....Grayson can do what he wants. MADem Jan 2016 #77

No - because now leftynyc Jan 2016 #83

No, they can't. Trump is on the anti-Cruz bandwagon too--he and Grayson are birds of a feather. nt MADem Jan 2016 #89

Yes they can leftynyc Jan 2016 #91

Look, if they're stirring shit about Ted "Canadian Carnival" Cruz, it's all good. MADem Jan 2016 #93

I'm "fretting" leftynyc Jan 2016 #94

Oh please, the vast majority of America doesn't get down in the weeds like that. MADem Jan 2016 #97

It's theater. herding cats Jan 2016 #8

Maybe it is more than theater. We'll have to see. MADem Jan 2016 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author herding cats Jan 2016 #43

That still doesn't make Alan Grayson a proper plaintiff to a suit jberryhill Jan 2016 #52

But in the 1970s, Canada did require serveral forms to be filled out and turned in to both DhhD Jan 2016 #69

What Canada required is irrelevant jberryhill Jan 2016 #71

I think it depends entirely on what those forms say. MADem Jan 2016 #78

Who actually has standing? Would it be an opponent in the race? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #116

It may be "non-justiciable" jberryhill Jan 2016 #139

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 earthside Jan 2016 #35

I think there's nothing wrong with looking into it. MADem Jan 2016 #44

I think it is a serious issue. earthside Jan 2016 #53

Where is the SCOTUS ruling that "he" means "she" in Article II? jberryhill Jan 2016 #60

Oh, come off it! MADem Jan 2016 #80

"In custom and practice, that is the case" jberryhill Jan 2016 #138

Hey, go on and file a challenge, if you seriously believe you'll prevail! MADem Jan 2016 #142

Well poisoning jberryhill Jan 2016 #143

Well, if it's stupid, you've nothing to be afraid of then! MADem Jan 2016 #146

You seem to think I'm a federal judge jberryhill Jan 2016 #149

I don't "think" you're anything. You're a 'bel fromage' representation of la vache qui rit, MADem Jan 2016 #154

Jury results pintobean Jan 2016 #148

Some people are pretty thick jberryhill Jan 2016 #150

Oh dear you think they don't get it Kalidurga Jan 2016 #201

More than 100 of these suits have been kicked out on standing jberryhill Jan 2016 #50

We'll have to wait and see, then won't we? I can stand the suspense....! MADem Jan 2016 #130

I agree. still_one Jan 2016 #76

You need standing to bring such a suit? I though anyone could file a lawsuit again anyone or anythin Rex Jan 2016 #103

I'm suing you for making me laugh. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #144

Goodluck I already wear a barrel! Rex Jan 2016 #194

serious question, who does have standing ? steve2470 Jan 2016 #190

I've been saying he's the liberal Trump--here's your proof nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #2

I'd rather democrats stay away from birther nonsense.nt sufrommich Jan 2016 #3

You'd best alert the White House to your POV, then--they've had a field day with this. MADem Jan 2016 #162

Fucking stupid. The shine has worn off Grayson's activism. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #4

Why does Grayson continue to embarrass himself this way? eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #6

Actually, for once in his life, it looks like he's carrying White House water! MADem Jan 2016 #163

Maybe, but when this is debunked, and I suspect it will be, GGJohn Jan 2016 #164

Did you read the headline? The WH is TROLLING Cruz. MADem Jan 2016 #165

You're right, I mis-read your post. GGJohn Jan 2016 #171

Grayson, meet shark KamaAina Jan 2016 #9

Uh oh....that's what TED CRUZ tried to say on his twitter feed..... MADem Jan 2016 #177

What the hell would Ted Cruz know aboot sharks, eh? KamaAina Jan 2016 #186

OK, now he's just looking like an idiot. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #10

Teds MOM became a Canadian citzen. greg1024 Jan 2016 #11

Grayson's not lookin' so stooopid now, is he!!!!!! MADem Jan 2016 #17

Cruz's mother seems to have been living in Delaware in 1940 csziggy Jan 2016 #33

Is Canadian voting based on residency or citizenship? Retrograde Jan 2016 #34

I do not know about the time when she voted awake Jan 2016 #129

As of 1960 Citizenship apparently was required to vote csziggy Jan 2016 #135

Don't bring in facts, you rabid Cruz supporter you jberryhill Jan 2016 #152

Actually I originally thought this was silly csziggy Jan 2016 #159

Bernie Sander's brother is running for office in the UK jberryhill Jan 2016 #167

I have no interest in how the UK runs their elections nt csziggy Jan 2016 #169

Ah, but what about his family's foreign interests? jberryhill Jan 2016 #173

Raw Story can take it over csziggy Jan 2016 #174

Your contributions to this thread have been nothing short of SUPERB. MADem Jan 2016 #181

Thanks - I just like finding the facts csziggy Jan 2016 #192

This is an adapted anti-Semitic smear jberryhill Jan 2016 #151

MADem has merely adapted this set piece of anti semitic lore. MADem Jan 2016 #168

No. I said it is a modified anti-Semitic smear jberryhill Jan 2016 #172

Anyone reading this thread can see what you're trying to do, and you really are disgracing yourself. MADem Jan 2016 #182

Wonder where they were living in 1935? North or south of the border? MADem Jan 2016 #37

On April 1, 1935 the family was living in the "same place" csziggy Jan 2016 #132

Yes, there used to be a ton of back-and-forth. Heck, New Hampshire, in my lifetime, was MADem Jan 2016 #133

Yeah, he still looks stupid n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #86

Does the White House look stupid, too? nt MADem Jan 2016 #170

If they're saying that Cruz's eligibility to be President should be questioned SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #176

I'm glad that most liberals that I know aren't humorless scolds. MADem Jan 2016 #188

I'm glad that none of the liberals I know are birthers n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #191

What goes around comes around and Obama was born malaise Jan 2016 #141

It's been a while since one of his staffers posted a fundraising thread on here. tammywammy Jan 2016 #12

The staffer that did that is probably the same one who is now running against his girlfirend MADem Jan 2016 #134

good for grayson saturnsring Jan 2016 #13

Just replace your first "Grayson" with "Florida Man." NCTraveler Jan 2016 #14

Would you still say that if it's determined his mother took out Canadian citizenship? nt MADem Jan 2016 #18

Yes. That comment reflects how I view Grayson at most times. Not just this instance. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #19

He DOES have "something better to do with his time." MADem Jan 2016 #21

I don't think Grayson cares one single bit about what the White House wants. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #23

Are you kidding? MADem Jan 2016 #24

Not sure what a picture of him being sworn in has to do with any of it. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #25

Let me try again. Look at THE WOMAN. nt MADem Jan 2016 #26

Have fun. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #30

You don't know who she is, do you? nt MADem Jan 2016 #38

Yes, I do. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #42

Then you should be able to pull the $tring and make the connection$. nt MADem Jan 2016 #46

Correct. Grayson is always about Grayson. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #47

That's not the point. Follow the money. nt MADem Jan 2016 #51

Who is she? NT KatyMan Jan 2016 #48

Went with the first unadvertised link when I googled her. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #55

She is an EXTREMELY wealthy woman, with deep pockets, who is a "friend" to many Democrats. MADem Jan 2016 #66

That's about as credible as the "Obama's mother went to Kenya to give birth" bullshit. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #29

Not the same at all. We KNOW Cruz was born in Canada. We KNOW it. MADem Jan 2016 #39

We KNOW his mother is and always has been a US Citizen. We KNOW it! MohRokTah Jan 2016 #41

That's why she was a registered voter in CANADA....?? MADem Jan 2016 #49

She WASN'T a registered voter in Canada. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #54

It wouldn't matter anyway jberryhill Jan 2016 #63

You're sure? nt MADem Jan 2016 #81

Here is a fact you don't understand jberryhill Jan 2016 #61

If he was born of a Canadian citizen-mother in Canada, and his birth wasn't registered at an embassy MADem Jan 2016 #85

Where is your proof that his mother was a Canadian citizen? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #92

You'll have to get that from the wingnuts--they're the ones who are publishing the MADem Jan 2016 #95

Four years after Cruz was born SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #96

What else YOU got? MADem Jan 2016 #99

It has nothing to do with defending Cruz SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #104

I'd love to see Democrats spend as much effort "not defending" Democrats....! MADem Jan 2016 #108

DWS is eligible to vote in Israeli elections jberryhill Jan 2016 #153

Wow--now you're being OVERT! Who knew? MADem Jan 2016 #155

I'm saying that when you deploy the xenophobic genie jberryhill Jan 2016 #166

Oh, let's not be cute. I see what you're doing, and it is ugly. Tsk, tsk--and you're a LAWYER? MADem Jan 2016 #175

I don't get what's so knuckle-headed hard about this whole thing... countryjake Jan 2016 #185

What a tool... TipTok Jan 2016 #15

Oh, geez! HassleCat Jan 2016 #27

Grayson is a birther moron. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #28

I believe you are mistaken. Very mistaken! unc70 Jan 2016 #72

The issue is not real and is completely insignificant. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #74

There was no question that Obama was natural born. unc70 Jan 2016 #82

+1,000! nt MADem Jan 2016 #119

It was clear with McCain. former9thward Jan 2016 #189

Those suits dismissed for lack of standing, not merits unc70 Jan 2016 #210

This can only help Cruz. stupid, stupid, stupid. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #31

Yeah, get it out there! ananda Jan 2016 #32

Stupid Grayson. 840high Jan 2016 #36

Dumb. Grayson is just a much a fool as Cruz is. (Nt) bigwillq Jan 2016 #40

Giving that bastard back exactly what he's served up is fine, in my book! countryjake Jan 2016 #45

That is fucking stupid. arely staircase Jan 2016 #56

STFU Grayson leftynyc Jan 2016 #57

Grayson needs to drop this nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #62

If the WHITE HOUSE can "troll" Cruz over this issue, then even Grayson can, too. MADem Jan 2016 #161

Grayson's politics are very good, but he is a mean-spirited, rotten human being Reter Jan 2016 #65

My step daughter was born in Peru. summerschild Jan 2016 #67

I know people who were told all their life that cats take away babies' breath jberryhill Jan 2016 #70

Yep. I've heard that one but never believed it. summerschild Jan 2016 #73

People who are older remember this--it was a common thing that was told to those born abroad. MADem Jan 2016 #115

McCain even used the term "foreign soil" when he was talking about Cruz. countryjake Jan 2016 #123

Especially since Cruz was one of the goader-baiters re: Obama being born on US soil to a MADem Jan 2016 #126

Yup! countryjake Jan 2016 #128

oh, help me rhonda restorefreedom Jan 2016 #79

It's not settled law. Period. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #87

That's ALL I'm sayin' too! I've never seen anyone actually take this kind of thing to court! MADem Jan 2016 #105

Damn libodem Jan 2016 #98

Wait...why? His mommy is Made in America. Rex Jan 2016 #100

That's the spirit! At last--someone 'gets' it! nt MADem Jan 2016 #102

I guess my suit against Father Time won't make it very far in a courtroom. Rex Jan 2016 #106

No, but you have every right to sue Father Time if you'd like!!! MADem Jan 2016 #118

Land of the Free! Personally I like knowing I can bring suit against the dodo bird! Rex Jan 2016 #121

Who is Obama chasing in that gif in your sig line? MADem Jan 2016 #124

He is after Teddy. It is great...HAD to add it to the collection! Rex Jan 2016 #136

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MADem Jan 2016 #137

That was after Cruz made some comment about Obama "saying it to his face" Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #145

It gave me my Good Laugh of the Day, that gif!!! nt MADem Jan 2016 #147

Why must Democrats compete with Republicans as to who is more ridiculous? guillaumeb Jan 2016 #109

Who's competing? MADem Jan 2016 #112

Only one parent must be a US citizen to confer citizenship on the children. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #114

Now let's find out if that parent was a US citizen, and registered that birth abroad! MADem Jan 2016 #117

The birth does not have to be registered immediately. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #120

Look at that--ONE interpretation!!! Think there might be others? MADem Jan 2016 #122

It sounds to me like the Framers already decided. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #125

Then you shouldn't be 'worried' about what the Supremes might say, then! MADem Jan 2016 #127

The Constitutional requirement isn't "U.S. Citizen" DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #131

There are only two species of citizen jberryhill Jan 2016 #140

The Supreme Court interprets the Constitution DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #158

Male and female? guillaumeb Jan 2016 #196

How is Cruz able to run for President of the USA? Iliyah Jan 2016 #156

Does Grayson need attention...I'm so over this guy. Historic NY Jan 2016 #157

No one (outside of DU) has ever heard of him. He's a big splash in a small pond. MADem Jan 2016 #160

I think it's a mistake acting like GOPer Birthers. Can't stand Cruz, but such threats are chilldish. Hoyt Jan 2016 #178

There is a difference DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #179

I'm tired of GOP dirty tricks. Our doing the same, won't help. I'm sure Trump or other Hoyt Jan 2016 #183

I guess I just don't see the "dirty trick" aspect to it DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #193

The White House is having fun with this....why can't you? MADem Jan 2016 #180

Grayson gives us a bad name, nothing funny about him. I admit Born Near USA is hilarious. Hoyt Jan 2016 #184

He's just a member of the Cuban Calgary Canadian Carnival Cruz Chorus. MADem Jan 2016 #187

Sweet! We have our own birthers now. hughee99 Jan 2016 #195

If I say Arnold Schwarzenegger is ineligible to run for President of the United States DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #197

No, that makes you right. n/t hughee99 Jan 2016 #198

There is no legal precedent DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #199

Which is why your "governator" example hughee99 Jan 2016 #200

That doesn't make any sense. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #204

While Cruz has a claim, Arnold has none, that's why the two hughee99 Jan 2016 #205

All of which were summarily dismissed. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #206

As the "Kenya" theory lawsuit would have been, or lawsuits against McCain were. hughee99 Jan 2016 #207

You don't know how the law works. DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #208

Yes, but I have a great sense of how condescension works. hughee99 Jan 2016 #209

Where are the pictures of Ted Cruz's mom (Eleanor Darragh Wilson) 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #202

I have only seen one.... MADem Jan 2016 #203

Might as well question everything Jan 2016 #211

I don't think much of Grayson, given the way he screwed over his staffer in favor of his MADem Jan 2016 #212