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Old Codger

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6. Semantics

Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:33 PM

Jan 2016

The wording of that amendment and all the others is in context of the usage of the day, the word regulated at that time meant trained, not as a lot say ruled over or any such thing...

The debate between the collectivist and the individualist
interpretations of the 2nd has often focused on the meaning of "well
regulated" in the opening phrase "well regulated Militia". The
collectivists claim this this refers to a Militia which is tightly
controlled by the government, deducing this from the etymology of
"regulated" which relates to "ruled". However, this ignores the usage
of the word "regulate" in which the "rule" refers to the proper
operations of a device rather than to man-made laws. We still see this
in the word "regular", which in many contexts means "properly operating."

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For the constitutional scholars amongst you... [View all] 63splitwindow Jan 2016 OP

Not bolded in the original, elleng Jan 2016 #1

"The Amendment�s prefatory clause announces a purpose" 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #3

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: elleng Jan 2016 #5

Notice it addresses "a free state" as opposed to "the State." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #2

But why announce purpose at all? 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #4

Because it was drafted by a different group of people dumbcat Jan 2016 #9

That makes sense. nt 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #11

In other 18th century writing, yes. X_Digger Jan 2016 #23

Semantics Old Codger Jan 2016 #6

I am not asking what it means... 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #8

Ok I get that Old Codger Jan 2016 #14

:) Ask the NRA why they carefully did not engrave the Hortensis Jan 2016 #19

I really Old Codger Jan 2016 #24

Strictly speaking, my humor was directed at Splitwindow, Oldcrabby. Hortensis Jan 2016 #25

Oldcrabby??? N/T Old Codger Jan 2016 #26

Oh, sorry! Hortensis Jan 2016 #27

Apparently it's semantics until it isn't. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #20

Our opinions on this don't much matter. Judges have given interpretations HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #7

I agree on both your points... 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #10

Not opinion so much as what I was taught... HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #16

Thank you. nt 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #17

The first clause does not limit the second clause. It's actually common to Constitutions. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #12

Its justificatory. beevul Jan 2016 #13

Several of the Founding Fathers were opposed to America having a standing army jmowreader Jan 2016 #15

Thank you. nt 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #18

Just ignore that part. moondust Jan 2016 #21

"Because I'm out of soda, I'm going to the store." -- do stores sell more than soda? X_Digger Jan 2016 #22