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In reply to the discussion: What I learned from the acts of rightwing terrorism in Oregon. [View all]frizzled
(509 posts)9. Yes, we should give in to terrorism sometimes.
If we accept 'not giving in as a guiding principle for state policy, then we grant political power to those who decide exactly what the terrorist demands are. A realistic example here is the abortion issue: conservative Christian politicians could claim that terrorists are demanding abortion, and use that as an excuse to prohibit it. If the state automatically rejects all terrorist demands, then it is politically advantageous to present the position of your opponents as a terrorist demand. In effect an arbitrary veto right is created. Since anyone can use this trick, contradictory claims would be made. Pro-abortion campaigners could equally claim, that some Christian terrorists demand a ban on abortion (which is in fact true).
So, someone would decide which claims are the real terrorist demands, and that someone is then in a position to decide the policy of the state. That not only lacks transparency, it also lacks logic. That is not the way to run a country first hold a competition to invent terrorist demands, and then let an arbitrary person arbitrarily select the winner.
In the real world, terrorist groups do indeed make contradictory demands. A classic example is the war in French colonial Algeria. An anti-colonial insurrection among the ethnic Algerians, led by the Front de Libération Nationale (FLN) demanded independence. The substantial ethnic French minority in Algeria, and dissident army officers, formed the right-wing Organisation de larmée secrète (OAS) to oppose it. France at first violently suppressed the insurrection in Algeria. When General De Gaulle later realised that independence was inevitable, and negotiated with the FLN, the OAS tried to kill him. It would have been impossible to decide the issue of Algerian independence, solely on the principle that all terrorist demands must be resisted.
So not giving in to terrorism is a slogan, and not a workable or desirable principle. Slogans are a political fact in themselves, but they are primarily an expression of emotion. Calls to stand up to terrorism tell us that the speaker is angry about ISIS, for instance. They do not, however, offer any moral guidance on how to react to ISIS, right wing terrorists, or anything else. Such decisions should be made on the basis of other, better, principles.
You now sound exactly like George W. Bush, by the way.
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Have you expressed this sentiment to the WH or to your candidate who is a veteran of this
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#11
$75K a day - that's the cost of this little snot nosed criminal activity
JustAnotherGen
Jan 2016
#12
I know that. What the postr describes would be a two month law enforcement operation,...
MohRokTah
Jan 2016
#29