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27. This is a terribly sad story

Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:23 PM

Jan 2016

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and many posters have rightly pointed out how the father's actions led to this tragedy. But they have also maligned the property owner; and I think painting property owners with a broad negative brush is wrong.

My cousin and I just recently had to have 'occupiers" removed from some family property. Long story short, one family member who was living in heirs' property had allowed his girlfriend to move in, but then he died. She in turn and in the meantime, moved in 4 other ne'er-do-well relatives of hers. They were destructive hoarders who paid nothing, so we -- the rightful owners -- had to go to court and get them removed. It was a nightmare and we feared violence the entire time. Now, we must repair the damage and much more. The property owners are necessarily villains!

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Police: Constable serving eviction order kills 12-year-old [View all] rug Jan 2016 OP

It always has been class warfare. Look at how police have been dressed forever. Nice tailored LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #1

Evicting families from property, at gunpoint, distills the whole rotten system. rug Jan 2016 #4

Yep but the system is all about the property owners malaise Jan 2016 #7

Seems it was the evictee that was pointing the gun. I blame this whole thing on the father. Waldorf Jan 2016 #9

As long as yo're looking at the "whole thing", have you considered why this family was being evicted rug Jan 2016 #16

The article doesn't say why, but one can infer from the man going to the door, heavily armed REP Jan 2016 #26

"non-payment of rent" is by far the mosre common basis ror evictions. rug Jan 2016 #92

I read somewhere else it 840high Jan 2016 #134

The judge must have considered it dumbcat Jan 2016 #34

Not if the man didn't have a lawyer, which is just another part of poverty. rug Jan 2016 #93

So I guess you will be okay with the Bundy fuckers pointing guns at federal marshals snooper2 Jan 2016 #80

You suck at guessing. rug Jan 2016 #94

property rights justify a killing? AlbertCat Jan 2016 #85

He was there to enforce property rights. rug Jan 2016 #95

"She didn't die because her father had money to pay the rent."... No, she sure didn't! Ghost in the Machine Jan 2016 #169

It appears the constable was defending himself, not justifying property over life. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #115

Yes. Father pointed rifle first. 840high Jan 2016 #135

The idiot constable shares the blame here. liberalhistorian Jan 2016 #45

The guy pulled a loaded gun on the constable and pointed it at him. I find no fault on the constable Waldorf Jan 2016 #58

I do, too. Point 840high Jan 2016 #133

If the police report is truthful matt819 Jan 2016 #157

so families should be allowed to stay rent-free? hfojvt Jan 2016 #39

No doubt, your admittedly simplistic application of thought LanternWaste Jan 2016 #87

You didn't answer the question. 840high Jan 2016 #136

Sometimes families aren't "far behind" at all, if an eviction will allow a higher rent to be charged villager Jan 2016 #171

that's not my experience hfojvt Jan 2016 #172

That only happens if you are a large enough RWing militant gun humping group. Rex Jan 2016 #185

Evictions have almost always been done that way in this country, liberalhistorian Jan 2016 #44

That's solid history. rug Jan 2016 #96

So is the father's action. 840high Jan 2016 #137

"The police are mostly here to protect the banks" villager Jan 2016 #170

Heartbreaking nt Xipe Totec Jan 2016 #2

The asshole pointing a fully loaded .223 rifle at a cop is to blame for his daughter being dead REP Jan 2016 #3

Yes he is. He should have sent her to another room if he wanted to commit police LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #5

Or just not pulled a loaded, big-ass gun on a cop, period REP Jan 2016 #10

The girl was in State custody at 840high Jan 2016 #159

The landlord will deduct the cost of cleaning his daughter's blood from the security deposit. rug Jan 2016 #6

No need to self-fornicate your post; I'm sure you agree pulling a loaded assault-style rifle REP Jan 2016 #8

I'm glad you find this story cute enough for poor quips. rug Jan 2016 #13

No, my friend - you miss the point. The evictee was armed and acted aggressively first. REP Jan 2016 #19

You clearly are more informed about the use of deadly force than evictions and poverty. rug Jan 2016 #97

Its not about recovering property, its about having a gun pointed at you. Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #24

"While you applaud this killing ..." dumbcat Jan 2016 #36

I believe this post REP Jan 2016 #69

Given the name you've chosen, that's not saying much at all. rug Jan 2016 #99

Property and money have liberalhistorian Jan 2016 #49

he didn't willfully kill the child... lame54 Jan 2016 #125

Imassuming if you get evicted, there is no security deposit left. Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #22

Felony murder for the father. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #14

There was no felony by the father in the first place. rug Jan 2016 #18

Did you miss this part? REP Jan 2016 #20

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #116

At the risk of wasting my time, do you have any substance to offer, frankie? rug Jan 2016 #129

It's a felony to threaten someone with a weapon except in self-defense. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #47

Here you go: Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #88

Here you go: rug Jan 2016 #100

So the father didn't point a loaded weapon at the constable? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #113

That remains to be seen. rug Jan 2016 #130

Then I'd be curious to know why he was 'carrying' Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #132

Who knows? Maybe it's as simple as he was a hunter and he was desparate. rug Jan 2016 #149

And then I would ask if the father tried working with social services Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #174

That is irrelevant. rug Jan 2016 #194

It's irrelevant whether or not Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #196

It's irrelevant becase a Section 8 voucher won't stop the bullet that killed his daughter. rug Jan 2016 #197

OK, fine Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #198

You assume the constable is telling the truth. rug Jan 2016 #199

Fine, we'll wait to hear the father's story Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #200

In Pennsylvania there will be a preliminary hearing very shortly. rug Jan 2016 #203

Update: Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #193

The only thing new is that charges were filed against the father. rug Jan 2016 #195

Homicide simply means "killed by another human". It may be decided that jonno99 Jan 2016 #168

"Homicide" is a cause of death, it is not a crime jberryhill Jan 2016 #176

Charges are: REP Jan 2016 #21

From the lomk directly above" rug Jan 2016 #101

The constable shares the blame for liberalhistorian Jan 2016 #46

That's ridiculous choie Jan 2016 #55

Yes the constable shares blame. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #62

That is a ridicuous statement TeddyR Jan 2016 #81

First of all, it's not a cop - it's a constable. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #124

and another +1. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #131

So he should have allowed himself TeddyR Jan 2016 #153

Believe it. DU is full 840high Jan 2016 #162

+1 grntuscarora Jan 2016 #121

From the description of the shooting, the asshole with the .223 was behind a partially closed door REP Jan 2016 #65

No. When someone assaults you they are responsible for anyone getting hurt when you respond Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #74

True, but LEO never has to answer for their murderous ways. Rex Jan 2016 #184

He made a choice, but the constable shot and killed the girl. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #53

He shot the man threatening him with a .223 assault-style rifle REP Jan 2016 #66

Wait, what? A law enforcement officer is obligated to die for you? X_Digger Jan 2016 #165

There is something I learned about DU a very long time ago, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2016 #70

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #138

Class warfare? Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #11

Land owner vs dweller. The oldest class wars ever known. LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #12

The story did not indicate whether the Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #15

The tenant drew on the contable first with a fully loaded assault-style .223 rifle REP Jan 2016 #23

I agree. Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #25

Whatever the evictee's plan was, it was terrible REP Jan 2016 #29

Pointing a gun at a cop with your kid behind you is unthinkable. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #48

And don't assume landowner is wealthy wordpix Jan 2016 #37

My grandfather bought four lots that included a house in the 20s. Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #40

RIP Ciara Fumesucker Jan 2016 #17

This is a terribly sad story Carolina Jan 2016 #27

I have to side with the LEO in this case. alphafemale Jan 2016 #28

That's so sad! Chemisse Jan 2016 #30

Here's another article............. Takket Jan 2016 #31

$1.800 in back rent exboyfil Jan 2016 #56

Hardly compares to the death of a child to collect it. rug Jan 2016 #102

No argument exboyfil Jan 2016 #107

Her death wasn't the result of an eviction. Rather her father pointing a loaded weapon at somebody Waldorf Jan 2016 #108

The "self-defense" wouldn't have arisen if he was not there to evict them. rug Jan 2016 #109

There would have been no "self'defense" if the father hadn't pointed a loaded firearm Waldorf Jan 2016 #111

There would have been no eviction if the father had the means to pay rent. rug Jan 2016 #112

Maybe he could have sold his gun(s) instead? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #126

He could have and should have. I doubt he'd have gotten $1800 for them, though. rug Jan 2016 #127

You lease a place - you pay rent. Period. 840high Jan 2016 #139

If you don't work - you don't eat. Period. rug Jan 2016 #148

Do you know he was unemployed? Selling his 840high Jan 2016 #151

That's a very high probability. rug Jan 2016 #155

This was the 2nd or 3rd visit by the constable.. 840high Jan 2016 #158

That's because the court summons was first served, then the judgment, and then, the notice to leave. rug Jan 2016 #161

The family said that - not DailyMail. I would 840high Jan 2016 #163

Ron Rhode, the relative by marriage, said that. rug Jan 2016 #164

. Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #32

Why would ANYONE shoot someone over an eviction? valerief Jan 2016 #33

Nobody got shot over the eviction dumbcat Jan 2016 #38

Indeed. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #54

Any vitriol for the exploiter class? Marengo Jan 2016 #86

Families with children shouldn't be evicted wordpix Jan 2016 #35

Thank you. Octafish Jan 2016 #41

So I can rent a 500,000 house, then stop paying after one month? Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #43

Can they shoot your children to get you out? rug Jan 2016 #103

No. But "they" can shoot at a person threatening lethal force. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #117

Can they shoot the child standing behind that person? rug Jan 2016 #120

No one wants that, but that result may fall on the father... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #122

No one is more acutely aware of class warfare than when he or she is being fired or evicted. rug Jan 2016 #123

Criminals are criminals in any system of governance. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #177

Tenants are not criminals. rug Jan 2016 #178

He threatened someone with a deadly weapon. That is criminal. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #180

Has that been proven? rug Jan 2016 #181

Sure - let's all do it. 840high Jan 2016 #140

No one would ever lease to a family again, or women Ilsa Jan 2016 #61

Daddies with assault-style rifles should sell them and pay the damn rent. REP Jan 2016 #67

It is a shame guns were involved, she would be alive today if they didn't exist. Rex Jan 2016 #42

1) The constable should have backed off and called for help 2) The father should never have put his book_worm Jan 2016 #50

The constable couldn't outrun a round fired from a .223 assault-style rifle inches from his chest REP Jan 2016 #68

...^ that 840high Jan 2016 #141

You can't outrun a assault rifle when it's to your chest... Lancero Jan 2016 #147

*This* smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #128

Sell the gun and pay the fucking rent. Glassunion Jan 2016 #51

Pig needs to get charged with murder! ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #52

You seem really confused about the job of the police. ManiacJoe Jan 2016 #59

This has to be one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #72

What kind of world do we live in where you can't point a gun at someone without getting shot back? Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #78

He won't be. The father, on the other hand, may have felony murder in the offing. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #118

dumb post 840high Jan 2016 #143

Wt fuck did you get that idea? Unless you hire a bodyguard, nobody's paid to take a bullet for you. X_Digger Jan 2016 #167

Poor child. What a terrible tragedy. DawgHouse Jan 2016 #57

This is really bad. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #119

... Catherine Vincent Jan 2016 #60

They want us to have guns everywhere Loki Jan 2016 #63

They need to defund and disarm the police- NOW. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #64

Really? TeddyR Jan 2016 #82

No. I propose unarmed "bobbies" like Britain and Japan. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #187

Well TeddyR Jan 2016 #191

i'm sure the criminals would love that to happen. Waldorf Jan 2016 #110

I'm sorry, the father is responsible for his daughter's death, he's the one who decided to escalate. Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #73

Right, the father should have stood meekly by and let his family be evicted in the dead of winter. Loki Jan 2016 #75

Better yet, as someone said upthread....... WillowTree Jan 2016 #83

Yes he should of, he was informed this was going to happen by at least the beginning of December... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #91

He pointed a rifle - 840high Jan 2016 #144

What in the world? Egnever Jan 2016 #156

Disgusting! avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #71

If this is freedom, call me a freedom hater. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #76

One question? atreides1 Jan 2016 #77

It seems a lot of people here dumbcat Jan 2016 #79

Maybe the father was trying to commit suicide JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #84

That is a very pertinent factual question. rug Jan 2016 #105

So an innocent 12 year old kiva Jan 2016 #89

No. She died because her father pointed his gun at a Cop Bonx Jan 2016 #90

Either way... Lancero Jan 2016 #142

How tragic. romanic Jan 2016 #98

Tou're right. IAnd it should not happen again. rug Jan 2016 #106

Alternate ending. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #104

Clara... Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #114

Or a victim of an irresponsible father. 840high Jan 2016 #145

Maybe not though? Lancero Jan 2016 #146

To early to tell just what happened really... Lancero Jan 2016 #150

You're right. It all remains to be seen. rug Jan 2016 #152

He used the gun TeddyR Jan 2016 #166

Uhm, he used that gun because a gun was pointed at him... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #182

Uhm, you don't know that. rug Jan 2016 #183

Evictions happen, the people who serve the court orders are armed... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #186

The girl's family has spoken up justamama83 Jan 2016 #189

A set up like Vonderrit Meyers I bet. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #188

I always wondered about this HassleCat Jan 2016 #154

That worked very well for Frick and Carnegie. rug Jan 2016 #160

The police enforce court orders- such as eviction notices Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #173

Because not paying your rent is theft. Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #175

I have served many evections with the Sherriffs Dept. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #179

I can believe this PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #190

And yet, no evictions from the Oregon National Park? PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #192

Thanks Jeebus the tenant had his gawd-given firearm to purtect his family. valerief Jan 2016 #201

Gopd has nothing to do with this. It's about poverty and property. rug Jan 2016 #202