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Kennah

(14,578 posts)
108. Back before The Learning Channel became The Reality TV Network ...
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jan 2016

... I watched a program that profiled several lottery winners. They were all surprisingly grounded. One couple, who were probably in their mid 50s, won about $16 million. Quit their jobs, helped out their grown kids, and bought a nice home. House was certainly in a 1% neighborhood and bigger than I would care for, but it wasn't grotesque. They did their own yard work, and because of that the neighbors thought they were the landscapers. Took the neighbors several months to figure out they were the owners. Now they were friends with the neighbors.

Googling for statistics on lotteries, I find numbers that run the gamut. X percent are more happy, Y percent are unchanged, Z percent are less happy. Seems easy to bemoan the downside of wealth when one is wealthy. As for happy, we each play a huge part in our own happiness despite our net worth.

Ask lottery winners this question.

Knowing what you know now, if you could wave a magic wand, rewind your life to before you won the lottery, erasing any knowledge of it so you'd never suffer remorse, would you do it?

It is difficult to imagine many answering yes. Jack Whittaker might, but from everything I've read he blamed his granddaughter's death on her friends, not the lottery or the wads of cash he showered on her that she used to become an addict. Reading about Whittaker, I conjure the image of a white trash version of Donald Trump--a jackass with money.

I recall reading a Reader's Digest article from about 1991. My late Grandmother bought Reader's Digest, and there was always plenty to read at her home. I read about a lottery winner, from Pennsylvania I believe, who won a $1 million in 1971, and he heeded the advice of Josh Barro taking the annuity payout. This was a $50K a year payout over 20 years. The man was a state employee who quit his job at age 52, and did not return to work. Now at 72, he was broke. Yes, I get that there is a world of difference between a $1 million in 1971 (perhaps $6 million in today's dollars) and $1.5 billion. As a 48 year old state employee, if I were to win $6 million today it would change my life, but I would not quit my job. A house (not a mansion), money for the kids to go to college, helping family, and setting aside enough so that I actually CAN retire by the time public sector unions are perhaps eviscerated by the SCOTUS this year.

$1.5 billion? Methinks I'd seek the advice of an attorney as to whether I should take the lump sum or annuity payout, not a NYT writer.

Finally, quoting Gandhi, the movie, "I beg you to accept that there is no people on Earth who would not prefer their own bad government to the good government of an alien power." I was reminded of this as I considered the advice to leave your money in the hands of the market. I have to wonder if it does not bring about more good in the economy for more people in the bottom rungs of the economy for an "irresponsible lottery winner" to spend their money rather than leaving it invested.

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It might not be one winner so this article is a mute point bigdarryl Jan 2016 #1
I think you meant "moot" point? brooklynite Jan 2016 #3
Although I won't win. I bought 10 dollars worth. yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #82
Even if you share the jackpot it's still a good idea. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #89
The chances of me living another 30 years are not good. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #2
An annuity of this kind is transferrable alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #5
If you took the lump some and invested most of it Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #33
Yes, but when you die 1939 Jan 2016 #35
I've seen the opposite said Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #36
Not true alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #54
Exactly. It depends on how old you are if you win brush Jan 2016 #56
Not to mention there's a good chance taxes will go up TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #95
The best advice I've heard is: do nothing brooklynite Jan 2016 #4
That May Be Good Advice. . . ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #7
might want to invest in a few bodyguards too... Takket Jan 2016 #8
THIRD: Tell no one that you won. nt TeamPooka Jan 2016 #59
Some states allow for trusts to be setup so the winner is not known CorkySt.Clair Jan 2016 #81
Is there a reason why wheniwasincongress Jan 2016 #87
Here in Washington it's disclosed, and I believe it's tied to our Sunshine Laws n/t Kennah Jan 2016 #105
So that we know there was really a winner ! JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #107
I'm not sure about that. I'm getting the hell out of Dodge ASAP. ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2016 #92
The winner better be ready to go into hiding right after they claim the prize. Drahthaardogs Jan 2016 #97
Boy, Do I Disagree ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #6
Having just been laid off from the annuity industry justiceischeap Jan 2016 #9
The present value of the annuity is less than the lump sum, IIRC (I don't play the MillennialDem Jan 2016 #10
i think its mostly predators looking for investments that bleed them dry Takket Jan 2016 #12
I guess when people play the lottery, they largely can't understand the numbers they MillennialDem Jan 2016 #14
my very dear friend/travel buddy who I have known many years is an investment counselor CTyankee Jan 2016 #46
Exhibit A: Dave Edwards. HughBeaumont Jan 2016 #17
Oh my! Granted that's $27 million, an order of magnitude less than the current powerball jackpot for MillennialDem Jan 2016 #22
Everything I would possibly want wouldn't cost more than $1 mill. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #32
Jack Whittaker, who won over 300 million, is another cautionary tale Tanuki Jan 2016 #52
I bet that guy's life would make an awesome movie. HughBeaumont Jan 2016 #61
I grew up in West Virginia, not far from where all of this took place,and as you can imagine Tanuki Jan 2016 #62
Step1: TELL NO ONE! Step2: Sign back of ticket. Step3: Take photos Pathwalker Jan 2016 #55
My husband's sister and her husband won like 3 or 4 million. Mariana Jan 2016 #63
They go broke because they don't prepare and then they get stupid jmowreader Jan 2016 #69
Oh I'd definitely have some of my money invested and automatically tapped and/or MillennialDem Jan 2016 #71
The big winning lottery winners usually go bankrupt within year 3 to year 5 after a winning. haele Jan 2016 #91
i thought i would take the annuity but.... Takket Jan 2016 #11
Doesn't even need be half. Could be 1/10th :p MillennialDem Jan 2016 #15
If you're going to indulge in conspiracy theories... brooklynite Jan 2016 #21
the old "hide it in your mattress" feeling...I hear ya... CTyankee Jan 2016 #48
I'd build a wall. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #13
i like the way you think. please consider a run for office. Takket Jan 2016 #16
lol tazkcmo Jan 2016 #19
Let freedom ring!!! ;) Takket Jan 2016 #29
I would always chose the annuity MrScorpio Jan 2016 #18
I'm 70 years old left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #20
yep 840high Jan 2016 #104
I'll take the lump sum and set up a family office. nt Lucky Luciano Jan 2016 #23
I would take the lump sum and hire you to run my accounts! n/t A HERETIC I AM Jan 2016 #75
I assume there is no job offer today then? Lucky Luciano Jan 2016 #110
Lightning struck in my state but it missed me by quite a bit A HERETIC I AM Jan 2016 #111
lean toward over time so if i screwed up i could reset every year dembotoz Jan 2016 #24
Can the lottery authority guarantee that the money will be paid? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #25
Illinois stopped payment on wins over $600 last year got sued too Person 2713 Jan 2016 #49
Take better advice and don't play rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #26
Decisions, decisions BeyondGeography Jan 2016 #27
While I plan to live forever, statistics tell me I may not last that long. ladyVet Jan 2016 #28
Read the article... brooklynite Jan 2016 #31
Nope, I'd take the cash. eom MohRokTah Jan 2016 #30
What happens if the lottery goes belly up next year? B2G Jan 2016 #34
Yes. brooklynite Jan 2016 #40
I will be laughing atop my pile of gold B2G Jan 2016 #44
Like Scrooge McDuck? hifiguy Jan 2016 #77
EXACTLY! B2G Jan 2016 #79
I will take the lump sum, thank you very much. bigwillq Jan 2016 #37
Never play the lotto..... odd_duck Jan 2016 #38
Screw that!! Separation Jan 2016 #39
I'm neither a math whiz nor a lottery player, but something about this author's math just KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #41
I think there's a lump sum payout at the end. brooklynite Jan 2016 #45
Ah, I'm demonstrating Pope's observation that "a little KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #47
The payments step up by 4% a year A HERETIC I AM Jan 2016 #50
Hey NYT... I win the Powerball Lottery? Hows about you take my advice and fuck off? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #42
Managing this much money, regardless of how many Lodestar Jan 2016 #43
Sorry everyone, a psychic told me I would win the big prize! Uben Jan 2016 #51
Nope. Net worth before income. KamaAina Jan 2016 #53
I'll let you know how it goes. Tab Jan 2016 #57
I just love the way everyone assumes they'd do a better SheilaT Jan 2016 #58
The #1 rule of investing is "Leave it to the pros." Get a GOOD TEAM of portfolio managers. Xithras Jan 2016 #66
Leave it to the pros SheilaT Jan 2016 #68
This. In every particular. hifiguy Jan 2016 #76
I absolutely would not leave it to the pros exboyfil Jan 2016 #103
No it isn't A HERETIC I AM Jan 2016 #78
I understand the guaranteed thirty year payoff is to increase SheilaT Jan 2016 #101
The payment steps up but the securities they buy are current yield treasuries A HERETIC I AM Jan 2016 #106
I would not do the investing myself, but I would not take the annuity Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #80
We did a case study on this laundry_queen Jan 2016 #100
Bookmarking for reference after the drawing. DawgHouse Jan 2016 #60
At my age I'd take the lump sum. hifiguy Jan 2016 #64
I'd take the lump sum because I have plans for that money, and keeping most of it isn't part of... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #65
I'd go with the annunity as well, especially given the large size for this drawing. Lancero Jan 2016 #67
What if you don't expect to live 30 more years? Can the remainder be willed B Calm Jan 2016 #70
Yes - it becomes part of your Estate brooklynite Jan 2016 #72
Why do most lottery winners go bankrupt? Oneironaut Jan 2016 #73
Because they piss away their money on stupid shit. hifiguy Jan 2016 #74
There was a show about this underpants Jan 2016 #84
Yep. And send the lawyer -- hifiguy Jan 2016 #85
It still has to be a public record. underpants Jan 2016 #86
Have an exit plan. Xolodno Jan 2016 #88
Great advice underpants Jan 2016 #90
Annuity total take home = $678M. Lump=$421M underpants Jan 2016 #83
I'd take the annuity Kaleva Jan 2016 #93
I must be a very conservative investor but... steve2470 Jan 2016 #94
we would create 50 millonaires, 10000 units of co-op housing for homeless, a small socialist army... JanMichael Jan 2016 #96
Take lump sum and after taxes: 1939 Jan 2016 #98
My advice for all of the lotteries across the US: adopt the Canadian method. kentauros Jan 2016 #99
that's less money for CPA's and tax lawyers :p steve2470 Jan 2016 #102
They probably already get less money kentauros Jan 2016 #109
Back before The Learning Channel became The Reality TV Network ... Kennah Jan 2016 #108
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