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Lars77

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16. I think it can be implemented in larges countries too,

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 12:26 PM

Jun 2012

but of course a smaller country is more transparent and in a sense easier to run. Although Norway is the size of Germany with only 5 million people and mountains all over the place, so we have a different set of challenges.

Germany might be a good model for the US. They probably have a denser population but it does have many similar characteristics. Bill Maher made an interesting point here the other day. If it wasn't for the super majority (60+) rule, the US would have a public option in the health care plan, and a carbon tax system for example.

I think the first thing that needs to happen in the US is a reform of government, and in particular congress as it has mechanisms like the super majority and the filibuster that helps conservative efforts to stop change from happening.

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Bilderberg 2012 - Conspiracy theorists please please please just GO AWAY [View all] Lars77 Jun 2012 OP

Would you rather these folks not be able to communicate informally? jberryhill Jun 2012 #1

? What folks, and communicate what to who? Lars77 Jun 2012 #4

Yes. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #31

So.... jberryhill Jun 2012 #32

They have a right to speak, but not under a cloak... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #35

Agreed Comrade........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #74

'Capitalism' is not the enemy. Unfortunately, human nature is the enemy. randome Jun 2012 #2

I never said capitalism is the enemy. I said predatory capitalism and neoliberalism. Lars77 Jun 2012 #3

I just don't see much difference between 'capitalism' and 'neoliberalism'. randome Jun 2012 #7

Well they aren't to me. I think we basically agree. Lars77 Jun 2012 #12

Capitalism is often chaotic. We need controlled chaos, often a hard nut to crack. randome Jun 2012 #13

I think it can be implemented in larges countries too, Lars77 Jun 2012 #16

Far, far too much gridlock here, I agree. randome Jun 2012 #17

Unfettered Capitalism - Chris Hedges & Michael Moore crunch60 Jun 2012 #59

The neo-liberal model of "capitalism" is very much the hifiguy Jun 2012 #6

both these posters ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #9

What is the difference between Capitalism and sociopathy? Zalatix Jun 2012 #8

I agree that capitalism (and its subsets) magnify the worst in human nature. randome Jun 2012 #10

whose nature? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #11

I see it more in terms of 'natural selection'. randome Jun 2012 #15

yes ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #23

What kind of capitalism is it that's not predatory? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #77

good question ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #78

yeah, it just "catches on". nevermind the 500 years of war, invasion, torture, colonializm, police HiPointDem Jun 2012 #38

Sounds like a virus GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #73

That's typical capitalist BS nonsense. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #79

is it possible ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #5

I agree that the line between conspiracy theorist and rationality can seem blurred. Lars77 Jun 2012 #14

They do want to create a global government. They've clearly stated it for decades. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #20

Who stated this? The bilderberg group does not issue statements. Lars77 Jun 2012 #21

But many members have, over and over for decades. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #34

That they want to create one global government? Come on i have to call BS on that. Lars77 Jun 2012 #42

FFS. Look for yourself, this is no secret, there are accounts and quotes since the 70's that I know Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #48

Kissinger is credited with it, not entirerly sure he actually said it. Lars77 Jun 2012 #61

and if Dems had tried to ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #22

In a way, but it's not global totalitarianism. Lars77 Jun 2012 #24

how would you define or recognize that? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #25

Seems to me like some people actually think we will all be subjected to some global facist state Lars77 Jun 2012 #26

in some ways we already are ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #27

I agree that we are probably less free today than 15 years ago, when you see police tactics, Lars77 Jun 2012 #28

All politics = conspiracy. Schoolgirls conspire against their peers & but the rich & powerful HiPointDem Jun 2012 #39

But conspire how? One thing is sticking some dollar bills in your pockets, Lars77 Jun 2012 #44

They conspire to structure the world in the shape of their own desire, in large ways and small. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #45

Well said. I cannot fathom that people find this difficult to understand. woo me with science Jun 2012 #64

I wonder if you actually read the first post. Lars77 Jun 2012 #81

I did read it, and I actually recced the OP. woo me with science Jun 2012 #82

Sorry, i thought you mere replied to the OP :) Lars77 Jun 2012 #86

How did the world bank & imf come into being, and why are they dictating terms to the world? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #87

You tell me. Lars77 Jun 2012 #88

no, you tell me, because you're the one asserting no global conspracies/coordination. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #92

Interesting. Lars77 Jun 2012 #93

um, where did i say that, exactly? i asked you where the imf etc. came from -- why haven't HiPointDem Jun 2012 #97

Sorry that was Egalitarian Thug. Lars77 Jun 2012 #100

i'm saying that imf, etc are supranational organizations run by private individuals outside HiPointDem Jun 2012 #102

But is it a unitary global grand conspiracy? Chan790 Jun 2012 #83

where there's global empire, there's global conspiracy. the precise details no one can claim to HiPointDem Jun 2012 #85

After WWII many of the same players sought standardized education. Robb Jun 2012 #18

That's one of the ideas of the Fulbright association. Lars77 Jun 2012 #19

Those things enforce class solidarity, which makes it easier for the upper to conspire against HiPointDem Jun 2012 #40

Only if you completely ignore the idea and reduce it to "Swiss boarding schools." Robb Jun 2012 #41

you're the one who talked about international education & boarding. besides which, the little HiPointDem Jun 2012 #43

We have universal, standardized and international education now? Robb Jun 2012 #46

no one said we did. but here's what you said: HiPointDem Jun 2012 #49

No. Robb Jun 2012 #50

whatever. but that's what you said. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #51

Very well said. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2012 #29

Alex Jones led the way JoethePleb Jun 2012 #30

Alex Jones is a moron n/t RZM Jun 2012 #33

Jones = right winger, disinformationist, well poisoner. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #36

His Rolling Stone profile covered his many Bircher connections. NT. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #69

Don't let the absurd theories overtake the discussion of what is still suspicious... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #37

You know what the problem with this is? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #47

And the Nazis were right about tobacco and prenatal weight. Robb Jun 2012 #52

WHOOSH!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #53

Whoosh indeed. Robb Jun 2012 #54

Yup, you missed it by a mile, or two, or actually a couple light years. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #55

I took a gander at what has been written about ALEC on infowars RZM Jun 2012 #56

What most people miss is that in all his nuttery nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #57

Birchers like LaRouche and Jones Mc Mike Jun 2012 #70

Exactly nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #72

His orgs often get in the way of on-line research for credible verifying links. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #95

Alex Jones Alex Jones Alex Jones Texas-Limerick Jul 2012 #111

So you listen to Alex Jones zappaman Jun 2012 #104

there were people reporting on alec before 2009, & doing a better job than alex jones. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #67

Thanks. + 1 to all, but Domhoff. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #71

Really? Was he serious? How was the class? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #76

He was serious. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #94

wow, i always thought domhoff was a warhorse of the field. szasz was always a libertarian/winger HiPointDem Jun 2012 #96

Of course, the word of one anonymous individual isn't worth much. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #98

ah. i see the problem, i was thinking of thomas szasz, never heard of andrew. thanks for HiPointDem Jun 2012 #99

I vaguely remember hearing the name Thomas Szasz Mc Mike Jun 2012 #101

wrong. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #66

You have done your research. zappaman Jun 2012 #105

that poster put me on ignore the first time i tried to correct a post of hers. so probably not. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #109

I know zappaman Jun 2012 #110

Bullshit. zappaman Jun 2012 #103

The movers and shakers deciding what gets moved and who gets shook whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #58

I heard that the Bilderberg members LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #60

I thought that was Bohemian Grove :) Lars77 Jun 2012 #62

Clarence Thomas went at least one year. Octafish Jun 2012 #107

When secret government imports cocaine and the big banks launder the proceeds... Octafish Jun 2012 #63

How is it that this hasn't been ushered away to Creative Speculation? Earth_First Jun 2012 #65

Can you cite the specific TOS rule that prohibits that? Kaleva Jun 2012 #68

I agree. Why should ANYBODY be suspicious of a group........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #75

Try reading my first post. Lars77 Jun 2012 #80

I DID read your first post............. socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #90

Why care about what Alex Jones and RT include in their media? MrMickeysMom Jun 2012 #84

"They already run the world". This is conspiracy nonsense. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #89

Correct. zappaman Jun 2012 #106

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