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jonno99

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38. Do you not see the contradictions - even in your own post?

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:22 PM

Jan 2016

You state: "many have advocated killing...many more have advocating making it illegal..."

And who are these "many"? Are they church leaders? Are they people of any influence?

I will ask again: please direct me to the news where church members in the US/west are killing/maiming/burning/driving from their homes - the apostate - on a regular basis.

Yes, to say that "it" doesn't happen in the west is nonsense. However, when you state that it is a bigger problem in NA or the ME, it should be understood that it is bigger on MANY orders of magnitude.

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Two German transgender women 'are STONED in the street' by a gang of three North African teenagers [View all] smirkymonkey Jan 2016 OP

Not much difference between Sharia Law and the religious right here in the good ol' USA world wide wally Jan 2016 #1

Sure - we had in stoning in our town just last week... jonno99 Jan 2016 #2

No, we pass laws to arrest and jail people for moral crimes. Totally different. cheapdate Jan 2016 #3

? you mean as opposed to "immoral crimes"? I'm not following... jonno99 Jan 2016 #4

Moral crimes as opposed to property crimes and crimes of violence. cheapdate Jan 2016 #7

Yes because trans women are never assaulted or murdered in the US MillennialDem Jan 2016 #8

Obviously it is true and very sad that it happens here in the US. However, jonno99 Jan 2016 #10

I think you give short shrift cheapdate Jan 2016 #18

I have no doubt that you are correct. But neither have I heard of any so-called leaders jonno99 Jan 2016 #28

There are without a doubt dramatic outward differences cheapdate Jan 2016 #55

Would it really matter to you if you were stoned to death or just "humanely" beaten to death? world wide wally Jan 2016 #22

Again, I must have missed the news where church members in the US were beating jonno99 Jan 2016 #25

Read it for yourself world wide wally Jan 2016 #36

I'll try again. That these deaths occured is horrific, jonno99 Jan 2016 #40

You are the only one that mentioned "church" world wide wally Jan 2016 #41

Fair enough. So in the end you consider attacks like jonno99 Jan 2016 #45

Not even close world wide wally Jan 2016 #48

How about these? Dretownblues Jan 2016 #78

Many christians have advocated killing all gay people or trans people. Many more have advocated MillennialDem Jan 2016 #35

Do you not see the contradictions - even in your own post? jonno99 Jan 2016 #38

Well before I go down this rabbit hole, how many would it take for you to be MillennialDem Jan 2016 #49

Sentiments are the same, the degree of violence or of acting on those sentiments is different LanternWaste Jan 2016 #114

"the agenda of a large part of the religious right would...entertain religious law in the US" If jonno99 Jan 2016 #120

And yet the one does not mitigate the other. When these murders are reported in the US, no one Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #11

Gee - did I miss a stoning 840high Jan 2016 #59

Well one huge fucking difference is the religious a set of laws currently being used anywhere CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #76

You sure know how to take the focus off a story yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #77

If this story were about the religious right in the good ol' USA melman Jan 2016 #82

The very first reply is so typically DU Democat Jan 2016 #85

Some people are slapping old patterns willy nilly onto new phenomena. sibelian Jan 2016 #92

Exactly! So predictable. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #95

It's become like bad parody around here. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #103

The Daily Mail (FOX News - UK), quoting a report from RW rag - Breitbart - does a great job pampango Jan 2016 #5

Don't be daft, Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2016 #83

This story has been reported in many news outlets, not jsut RW. totodeinhere Jan 2016 #97

Germany is in for very rough times. hifiguy Jan 2016 #6

The German anti-immigrant right-wing madville Jan 2016 #19

And the left hides its head in the sand hifiguy Jan 2016 #20

YES Dems to Win Jan 2016 #37

Hillary definitely denounced it. AngryAmish Jan 2016 #52

Do you have a link? Dems to Win Jan 2016 #53

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #43

...^ that 840high Jan 2016 #60

The anti-immigrant right wing all over Europe (and the US for that matter) is loving this. pampango Jan 2016 #23

Then prosecute them as you would Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #9

When you prosecute a crime, don't the prosecutors bring up the motive? FrodosPet Jan 2016 #111

Well, the motive seems to be because they were horrible, violent bigots, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #112

The culture they grew up with encourages those kinds of attacks FrodosPet Jan 2016 #113

Maybe you should then ask males why they rape and do these horrible things. LanternWaste Jan 2016 #115

Damned straight we should FrodosPet Jan 2016 #118

Why do DUers trip over themselves Kang Colby Jan 2016 #12

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #14

LOL! Coventina Jan 2016 #16

Oh my. Aerows Jan 2016 #50

I still harbor a grudge against the "sexy" pinup green M&M girl. Quantess Jan 2016 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #110

If they were a group of Klan members, then DU would be happy to condemn them all. FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #15

You know, that is a fantastic point. Aerows Jan 2016 #51

I have seen no one excuse this criminal behavior. I have seen many defend innocent refugees. pampango Jan 2016 #17

Great effort is made to redirect though. Kaleva Jan 2016 #24

Yep. NT Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #27

Most, not all, of these criminals have been recent arrivals but there are hundreds of thousands pampango Jan 2016 #29

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Well said. n/t pampango Jan 2016 #31

Males overall, yes? LanternWaste Jan 2016 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #121

There is one poster in particular in the migrant threads making lot of excuses. Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #34

Tony Clifton Threadjack Time FrodosPet Jan 2016 #119

You're not fooling anyone. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #88

These statements of defence of innocent refugees are applied to men who are not refugees. sibelian Jan 2016 #89

I wish I knew. hifiguy Jan 2016 #21

Ain't that the truth. romanic Jan 2016 #39

Good question. tabasco Jan 2016 #33

Beats me leftynyc Jan 2016 #42

White male Christians are easy The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #56

There's a lot more outrage here when a baker refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #74

True. Dr. Strange Jan 2016 #79

Good question. 840high Jan 2016 #61

Because (1) they are terrified of being seen as "Islamophobic", Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #73

Fake-ass "sensitivity" > calling out misogyny and homophobia. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #105

Likely because America is 'mean' to them... TipTok Jan 2016 #109

the only semi-defense I see of rape comes from MRAs who rationalize it as something else.. LanternWaste Jan 2016 #116

Fuck the Daily Mail. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #44

but, but shanti Jan 2016 #46

Why, because they reported on the crime? branford Jan 2016 #47

Exactly. The reports came from hifiguy Jan 2016 #65

You willing to say the same about 840high Jan 2016 #62

This has been reported by many outlets, not just the Daily Mail. totodeinhere Jan 2016 #99

So many German people who used to be safe walking their streets Dems to Win Jan 2016 #54

Including my fiancee, tabasco Jan 2016 #57

Well there were rapes and gropings in Germany before refugees got there betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #70

Maybe you give us some numbers. Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2016 #84

while i can believe this happened can you use other sources. daily mail is quoting breitbart JI7 Jan 2016 #58

The DM and Breitbart also blow welfare fraud incidents to justify auterity betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #63

This is no different from Donald Trump calling all Mexican men rapists! betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #64

I will save my sympathies hifiguy Jan 2016 #66

Bull. Trump used a particular incident of a mexican man raping a white women to betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #68

You are a bit out of control and extremely wrong. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #94

Wrong. tabasco Jan 2016 #67

Strawman betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #69

LOL! tabasco Jan 2016 #72

Wrong. The article does not allege that all Muslim immigrants do this. totodeinhere Jan 2016 #100

When they are caught... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #71

Yeah but since it happens in America too there is nothing wrong with it CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #75

Check the very first reply in this thread Democat Jan 2016 #86

Yeah, saw it after I posted. CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #87

Always, of course. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #101

horrible. Glad victims survived Liberal_in_LA Jan 2016 #80

Best article I've read on this topic Dems to Win Jan 2016 #81

She says the same thing I have been saying. You have to be there to realize how true it is. DFW Jan 2016 #104

Why are trans people so Islamophobic? Matrosov Jan 2016 #91

This is clearly America's fault. Also, since Christianity is also backwards, Oneironaut Jan 2016 #93

Does the Daily Mail even know who Breitbart is? DFW Jan 2016 #96

Breitbart has branched out. Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #98

I wouldn't be too sure DFW Jan 2016 #106

If they exist, I imagine they're careful to keep within the word of the law. Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #107

They're new arrivals, who should be respecting the values of the country that took them in Babel_17 Jan 2016 #102

I-i-i-i-t's time for the Big House. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #108