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95. Cruz is not a "natural born" citizen

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:29 PM

Jan 2016

Cruz is a "naturalized" citizen so he does not qualify to be President.

The Founding Fathers’ insistence that the presidency be limited to “natural born citizens” was based on their openly expressed fear that “foreigners were disloyal,” as law professor Malinda L. Seymore has written.

Odd, considering the fact that so many of those who helped craft the “natural born citizen” clause were themselves born in foreign lands: Alexander Hamilton in the West Indies; James Wilson in Scotland; Robert Morris in England; and the four delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 who hailed from Ireland, William Paterson, James McHenry, Pierce Butler and Thomas Fitzsimons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/15/that-vexing-natural-born-citizen-requirement-what-were-the-founding-fathers-afraid-of/

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Ted Cruz Citizenship Timeline: Ted Cruz is Canadian at birth. Period. [View all] UCmeNdc Jan 2016 OP

"196x ?BBoth parents applied for and received Canadian citizenship..." KamaAina Jan 2016 #1

Another weak link is mama Cruz. 1st we've heard about 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #7

Yeah, this claim that she wasn't a US citizen at all surprises me anigbrowl Jan 2016 #44

I think that according to US law, you relinquish US citizenship when you apply for another. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #53

Not true anigbrowl Jan 2016 #55

That is true now, but not then.. Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #92

No dual citizenship in Canada Enchantedone Feb 2016 #135

That is absolutely false jberryhill Jan 2016 #107

You didn't need a passport to go to Canada until very recently nt a la izquierda Jan 2016 #99

Crossing the Canada/US Border w/o passport, very easy prior to 1990 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #104

Here's her birth certificate. Any questions? underahedgerow Jan 2016 #60

Yes, I have several questions kay1864 Jan 2016 #70

To get a US passport, you don't necessarily need your birth certificate, in fact. You can bring a underahedgerow Jan 2016 #71

Didn't say he wasn't a US citizen kay1864 Jan 2016 #72

Cruz is not a "natural born" citizen Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #95

Naturalized citizens have the same rights as the natural-born except... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #96

When did Cruz go through the naturalization process n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #97

His mother registered his birth... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #100

Then he wasn't naturalized SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #102

Shades of the birther movement... TipTok Jan 2016 #74

Not at all. earthside Jan 2016 #77

It just shows that some folks will jump in the muck the moment they get the chance to slime... TipTok Jan 2016 #80

Here is a clue... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #93

Yep. Until it is somehow established that the mother was not also an American citizen... Orsino Jan 2016 #15

natural born means... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #101

That's one interpretation, but not established yet as a requirement. Orsino Jan 2016 #134

No, it's an irrelevant link. jeff47 Jan 2016 #18

Show that she was a U.S. Citizen first Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #38

Ok, she's in the US without a green card or visa, and brought her son jeff47 Jan 2016 #39

It's all gonna come down to the definition Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #40

So the founding fathers intended to exclude themselves? jeff47 Jan 2016 #41

The founding fathers wrote in an exception for themselves. Mariana Jan 2016 #78

They covered that ... earthside Jan 2016 #79

You have to be a "natural born" citizen to serve as President or V-President Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #94

It's a moot point right now anyway Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #43

You are 100% incorrect kay1864 Jan 2016 #86

Psychic powers Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #88

Well, if she applied for Canadian citizenship, she must have had a passport to get into Canada anigbrowl Jan 2016 #45

Her birth certificate isn't lost SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #50

Thanks. That renders this whole thread nonsensical then. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #56

No it doesn't because... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #105

You continue to say that he is a naturalized citizen SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #109

Cruz was naturalized... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #118

"It appears" is nothing more than your opinion SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #120

For a child born abroad... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #123

The point of the registration at the embassy or consulate SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #125

So why has Teddy Crazy SwankyXomb Jan 2016 #128

Prior to 1976... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #103

Canada also required five years of residence prior to becoming a citizen SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #112

3 out of 4 years Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #126

That's current law SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #127

Parents were Canadian citizens when Ted was born... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #98

Who is this Anna Tomerlin whom you cite? KamaAina Jan 2016 #111

Cruz's father never said that n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #113

Well, if you can't accept what you read on Facebook as absolute fact, then mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2016 #2

It should not be too hard to verify when the mother and father converted to canadian citizenship UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #9

It isn't a conversion. jeff47 Jan 2016 #26

Ted Cruz Canadian Birth Certificate DhhD Jan 2016 #90

That Link DOES Need To Be Fleshed Out Vogon_Glory Jan 2016 #3

The quote from Cruz's father on that FB page doesn't say that his wife became a Canadian citizen. WillowTree Jan 2016 #4

Next to Rafael Cruz's name on the list is "Mrs. Eleanor Cruz" csziggy Jan 2016 #37

That just says they were married. You don't need the same citizenship for that. nt anigbrowl Jan 2016 #46

BOTH are on the Voter's List csziggy Jan 2016 #48

So what if she was on the voter list? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #51

Can you vote in Canada if not a citizen of Canada? Herman4747 Jan 2016 #69

Probably not SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #75

...for 1974. Cruz was born in 1970. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #52

Ted Cruz's... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #106

No, he didn't say that n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #115

Oh.......I didn't realize that it was posted on facebook. It must be true then! WillowTree Jan 2016 #130

Is this being disputed? stone space Jan 2016 #5

No. SwankyXomb Jan 2016 #17

If his mother was born in Delaware sharp_stick Jan 2016 #6

Or did she give up her US Citizenship and become a Naturalized Canadian Citizen? UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #10

No. There would be a definitive record of it and there is not. yellowcanine Jan 2016 #16

It's not as easy as folks think to relinquish their US citizenship. stone space Jan 2016 #19

Some DU Nativist just answered "yes" by DU email. stone space Jan 2016 #30

You have to formally renounce your US citizenship. It does not automatically go away jeff47 Jan 2016 #20

Not likely sharp_stick Jan 2016 #23

He would be a US citizen, but not natural born unc70 Jan 2016 #12

No. Natural born just means citizen at birth. jeff47 Jan 2016 #21

Those early presidents were grandfathered in unc70 Jan 2016 #89

I don't believe that sharp_stick Jan 2016 #25

I've heard legal scholars, including Lawrence Tribe, say that natural born means born on the land. Zen Democrat Jan 2016 #129

That still leaves open whether he's a "natural born citizen" starroute Jan 2016 #22

Where did you get that sharp_stick Jan 2016 #27

Here is the US statute starroute Jan 2016 #32

Does Cruz meet these residency requirements? Boxturtle Jan 2016 #35

Considering Cruz was born in 1970 this hardly seems relevant anigbrowl Jan 2016 #47

This is why I said I'd seen earlier versions and they hadn't changed much starroute Jan 2016 #57

Yes, they become citizens by birth. jeff47 Jan 2016 #28

If she became a Canadian citizen, then is Cruz in the country legally? hedgehog Jan 2016 #8

You have to formally renounce your US citizenship to lose it. jeff47 Jan 2016 #24

No. stone space Jan 2016 #31

The fact is madokie Jan 2016 #11

Well done! H2O Man Jan 2016 #13

Facebook posts are now definitive citations? yellowcanine Jan 2016 #14

You left out, or missed one quite important point. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #29

I wish I had the citation... 2naSalit Jan 2016 #33

"I'm not going to engage in a legal debate.� Adsos Letter Jan 2016 #34

This assumes, incorrectly, that there is no such thing as dual citizenship. Jim Lane Jan 2016 #36

Cruz released his mother's birth certificateo SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #42

Yes he did. Its images have been on the internets for several years now. underahedgerow Jan 2016 #59

Both parents applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian Naturalization laws UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #65

Link please SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #76

how do you know that? link DrDan Jan 2016 #83

Very relevant thread for me DFW Jan 2016 #49

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #136

Good article, but it's not incumbent on any of us to prove the negative. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #54

Tenous? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #58

Yes, tenuous. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #61

That is what I was wondering Samantha Jan 2016 #63

Is that actually a quote from him SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #64

The constitution states natural born citizens. Funny how republicans can read the 2nd amendment B Calm Jan 2016 #62

Ted to "renounce his Canadian citizenship" UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #66

So if he does, he would be a man without a country. B Calm Jan 2016 #67

He renounced it years ago n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #117

Cruz's renunciation of Canadian citizenship became official 1 year & 7 months ago 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #121

Thank you for the correction - much appreciated! n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #122

is that 196X entry (in bold) where cruz's parent applied for and received Canadian citizenship in DrDan Jan 2016 #68

If his Mom really was an American citizen she retains that for life. period. Sunlei Jan 2016 #73

Not if she asked to be a Canadian Citizen and Canada said she must give up her US Citizenship UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #81

did that happen? did she really apply for Canadian citizenship? DrDan Jan 2016 #82

That seems to be the big question UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #84

I have yet to see where anyone said she applied - only that her name appears on some list DrDan Jan 2016 #85

No you do not give up American citizenship. plenty of people are duel cits. Sunlei Jan 2016 #87

Canada's laws do not determine whether you remain a US citizen jberryhill Jan 2016 #110

Cruz Birth Certificate... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #91

Is the mother still part of his life? mainstreetonce Jan 2016 #108

I think she's still around. briv1016 Jan 2016 #131

*sigh* X_Digger Jan 2016 #114

Incredible, isn't it? SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #116

Next I'm expecting them to try to claim that some rethug candidate was born via cesarean. X_Digger Jan 2016 #119

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #124

This will be fun to watch Gothmog Jan 2016 #132

Yes since Ted Cruz believers hate Canadians UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #133