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justamama83

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189. The girl's family has spoken up

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:20 PM

Jan 2016

They do not blame the constable.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/autopsy-set-pennsylvania-girl-12-shot-eviction-36264655

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Police: Constable serving eviction order kills 12-year-old [View all] rug Jan 2016 OP

It always has been class warfare. Look at how police have been dressed forever. Nice tailored LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #1

Evicting families from property, at gunpoint, distills the whole rotten system. rug Jan 2016 #4

Yep but the system is all about the property owners malaise Jan 2016 #7

Seems it was the evictee that was pointing the gun. I blame this whole thing on the father. Waldorf Jan 2016 #9

As long as yo're looking at the "whole thing", have you considered why this family was being evicted rug Jan 2016 #16

The article doesn't say why, but one can infer from the man going to the door, heavily armed REP Jan 2016 #26

"non-payment of rent" is by far the mosre common basis ror evictions. rug Jan 2016 #92

I read somewhere else it 840high Jan 2016 #134

The judge must have considered it dumbcat Jan 2016 #34

Not if the man didn't have a lawyer, which is just another part of poverty. rug Jan 2016 #93

So I guess you will be okay with the Bundy fuckers pointing guns at federal marshals snooper2 Jan 2016 #80

You suck at guessing. rug Jan 2016 #94

property rights justify a killing? AlbertCat Jan 2016 #85

He was there to enforce property rights. rug Jan 2016 #95

"She didn't die because her father had money to pay the rent."... No, she sure didn't! Ghost in the Machine Jan 2016 #169

It appears the constable was defending himself, not justifying property over life. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #115

Yes. Father pointed rifle first. 840high Jan 2016 #135

The idiot constable shares the blame here. liberalhistorian Jan 2016 #45

The guy pulled a loaded gun on the constable and pointed it at him. I find no fault on the constable Waldorf Jan 2016 #58

I do, too. Point 840high Jan 2016 #133

If the police report is truthful matt819 Jan 2016 #157

so families should be allowed to stay rent-free? hfojvt Jan 2016 #39

No doubt, your admittedly simplistic application of thought LanternWaste Jan 2016 #87

You didn't answer the question. 840high Jan 2016 #136

Sometimes families aren't "far behind" at all, if an eviction will allow a higher rent to be charged villager Jan 2016 #171

that's not my experience hfojvt Jan 2016 #172

That only happens if you are a large enough RWing militant gun humping group. Rex Jan 2016 #185

Evictions have almost always been done that way in this country, liberalhistorian Jan 2016 #44

That's solid history. rug Jan 2016 #96

So is the father's action. 840high Jan 2016 #137

"The police are mostly here to protect the banks" villager Jan 2016 #170

Heartbreaking nt Xipe Totec Jan 2016 #2

The asshole pointing a fully loaded .223 rifle at a cop is to blame for his daughter being dead REP Jan 2016 #3

Yes he is. He should have sent her to another room if he wanted to commit police LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #5

Or just not pulled a loaded, big-ass gun on a cop, period REP Jan 2016 #10

The girl was in State custody at 840high Jan 2016 #159

The landlord will deduct the cost of cleaning his daughter's blood from the security deposit. rug Jan 2016 #6

No need to self-fornicate your post; I'm sure you agree pulling a loaded assault-style rifle REP Jan 2016 #8

I'm glad you find this story cute enough for poor quips. rug Jan 2016 #13

No, my friend - you miss the point. The evictee was armed and acted aggressively first. REP Jan 2016 #19

You clearly are more informed about the use of deadly force than evictions and poverty. rug Jan 2016 #97

Its not about recovering property, its about having a gun pointed at you. Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #24

"While you applaud this killing ..." dumbcat Jan 2016 #36

I believe this post REP Jan 2016 #69

Given the name you've chosen, that's not saying much at all. rug Jan 2016 #99

Property and money have liberalhistorian Jan 2016 #49

he didn't willfully kill the child... lame54 Jan 2016 #125

Imassuming if you get evicted, there is no security deposit left. Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #22

Felony murder for the father. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #14

There was no felony by the father in the first place. rug Jan 2016 #18

Did you miss this part? REP Jan 2016 #20

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #116

At the risk of wasting my time, do you have any substance to offer, frankie? rug Jan 2016 #129

It's a felony to threaten someone with a weapon except in self-defense. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #47

Here you go: Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #88

Here you go: rug Jan 2016 #100

So the father didn't point a loaded weapon at the constable? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #113

That remains to be seen. rug Jan 2016 #130

Then I'd be curious to know why he was 'carrying' Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #132

Who knows? Maybe it's as simple as he was a hunter and he was desparate. rug Jan 2016 #149

And then I would ask if the father tried working with social services Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #174

That is irrelevant. rug Jan 2016 #194

It's irrelevant whether or not Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #196

It's irrelevant becase a Section 8 voucher won't stop the bullet that killed his daughter. rug Jan 2016 #197

OK, fine Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #198

You assume the constable is telling the truth. rug Jan 2016 #199

Fine, we'll wait to hear the father's story Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #200

In Pennsylvania there will be a preliminary hearing very shortly. rug Jan 2016 #203

Update: Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #193

The only thing new is that charges were filed against the father. rug Jan 2016 #195

Homicide simply means "killed by another human". It may be decided that jonno99 Jan 2016 #168

"Homicide" is a cause of death, it is not a crime jberryhill Jan 2016 #176

Charges are: REP Jan 2016 #21

From the lomk directly above" rug Jan 2016 #101

The constable shares the blame for liberalhistorian Jan 2016 #46

That's ridiculous choie Jan 2016 #55

Yes the constable shares blame. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #62

That is a ridicuous statement TeddyR Jan 2016 #81

First of all, it's not a cop - it's a constable. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #124

and another +1. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #131

So he should have allowed himself TeddyR Jan 2016 #153

Believe it. DU is full 840high Jan 2016 #162

+1 grntuscarora Jan 2016 #121

From the description of the shooting, the asshole with the .223 was behind a partially closed door REP Jan 2016 #65

No. When someone assaults you they are responsible for anyone getting hurt when you respond Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #74

True, but LEO never has to answer for their murderous ways. Rex Jan 2016 #184

He made a choice, but the constable shot and killed the girl. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #53

He shot the man threatening him with a .223 assault-style rifle REP Jan 2016 #66

Wait, what? A law enforcement officer is obligated to die for you? X_Digger Jan 2016 #165

There is something I learned about DU a very long time ago, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2016 #70

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #138

Class warfare? Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #11

Land owner vs dweller. The oldest class wars ever known. LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #12

The story did not indicate whether the Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #15

The tenant drew on the contable first with a fully loaded assault-style .223 rifle REP Jan 2016 #23

I agree. Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #25

Whatever the evictee's plan was, it was terrible REP Jan 2016 #29

Pointing a gun at a cop with your kid behind you is unthinkable. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #48

And don't assume landowner is wealthy wordpix Jan 2016 #37

My grandfather bought four lots that included a house in the 20s. Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #40

RIP Ciara Fumesucker Jan 2016 #17

This is a terribly sad story Carolina Jan 2016 #27

I have to side with the LEO in this case. alphafemale Jan 2016 #28

That's so sad! Chemisse Jan 2016 #30

Here's another article............. Takket Jan 2016 #31

$1.800 in back rent exboyfil Jan 2016 #56

Hardly compares to the death of a child to collect it. rug Jan 2016 #102

No argument exboyfil Jan 2016 #107

Her death wasn't the result of an eviction. Rather her father pointing a loaded weapon at somebody Waldorf Jan 2016 #108

The "self-defense" wouldn't have arisen if he was not there to evict them. rug Jan 2016 #109

There would have been no "self'defense" if the father hadn't pointed a loaded firearm Waldorf Jan 2016 #111

There would have been no eviction if the father had the means to pay rent. rug Jan 2016 #112

Maybe he could have sold his gun(s) instead? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #126

He could have and should have. I doubt he'd have gotten $1800 for them, though. rug Jan 2016 #127

You lease a place - you pay rent. Period. 840high Jan 2016 #139

If you don't work - you don't eat. Period. rug Jan 2016 #148

Do you know he was unemployed? Selling his 840high Jan 2016 #151

That's a very high probability. rug Jan 2016 #155

This was the 2nd or 3rd visit by the constable.. 840high Jan 2016 #158

That's because the court summons was first served, then the judgment, and then, the notice to leave. rug Jan 2016 #161

The family said that - not DailyMail. I would 840high Jan 2016 #163

Ron Rhode, the relative by marriage, said that. rug Jan 2016 #164

. Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #32

Why would ANYONE shoot someone over an eviction? valerief Jan 2016 #33

Nobody got shot over the eviction dumbcat Jan 2016 #38

Indeed. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #54

Any vitriol for the exploiter class? Marengo Jan 2016 #86

Families with children shouldn't be evicted wordpix Jan 2016 #35

Thank you. Octafish Jan 2016 #41

So I can rent a 500,000 house, then stop paying after one month? Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #43

Can they shoot your children to get you out? rug Jan 2016 #103

No. But "they" can shoot at a person threatening lethal force. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #117

Can they shoot the child standing behind that person? rug Jan 2016 #120

No one wants that, but that result may fall on the father... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #122

No one is more acutely aware of class warfare than when he or she is being fired or evicted. rug Jan 2016 #123

Criminals are criminals in any system of governance. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #177

Tenants are not criminals. rug Jan 2016 #178

He threatened someone with a deadly weapon. That is criminal. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #180

Has that been proven? rug Jan 2016 #181

Sure - let's all do it. 840high Jan 2016 #140

No one would ever lease to a family again, or women Ilsa Jan 2016 #61

Daddies with assault-style rifles should sell them and pay the damn rent. REP Jan 2016 #67

It is a shame guns were involved, she would be alive today if they didn't exist. Rex Jan 2016 #42

1) The constable should have backed off and called for help 2) The father should never have put his book_worm Jan 2016 #50

The constable couldn't outrun a round fired from a .223 assault-style rifle inches from his chest REP Jan 2016 #68

...^ that 840high Jan 2016 #141

You can't outrun a assault rifle when it's to your chest... Lancero Jan 2016 #147

*This* smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #128

Sell the gun and pay the fucking rent. Glassunion Jan 2016 #51

Pig needs to get charged with murder! ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #52

You seem really confused about the job of the police. ManiacJoe Jan 2016 #59

This has to be one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #72

What kind of world do we live in where you can't point a gun at someone without getting shot back? Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #78

He won't be. The father, on the other hand, may have felony murder in the offing. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #118

dumb post 840high Jan 2016 #143

Wt fuck did you get that idea? Unless you hire a bodyguard, nobody's paid to take a bullet for you. X_Digger Jan 2016 #167

Poor child. What a terrible tragedy. DawgHouse Jan 2016 #57

This is really bad. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #119

... Catherine Vincent Jan 2016 #60

They want us to have guns everywhere Loki Jan 2016 #63

They need to defund and disarm the police- NOW. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #64

Really? TeddyR Jan 2016 #82

No. I propose unarmed "bobbies" like Britain and Japan. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #187

Well TeddyR Jan 2016 #191

i'm sure the criminals would love that to happen. Waldorf Jan 2016 #110

I'm sorry, the father is responsible for his daughter's death, he's the one who decided to escalate. Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #73

Right, the father should have stood meekly by and let his family be evicted in the dead of winter. Loki Jan 2016 #75

Better yet, as someone said upthread....... WillowTree Jan 2016 #83

Yes he should of, he was informed this was going to happen by at least the beginning of December... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #91

He pointed a rifle - 840high Jan 2016 #144

What in the world? Egnever Jan 2016 #156

Disgusting! avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #71

If this is freedom, call me a freedom hater. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #76

One question? atreides1 Jan 2016 #77

It seems a lot of people here dumbcat Jan 2016 #79

Maybe the father was trying to commit suicide JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #84

That is a very pertinent factual question. rug Jan 2016 #105

So an innocent 12 year old kiva Jan 2016 #89

No. She died because her father pointed his gun at a Cop Bonx Jan 2016 #90

Either way... Lancero Jan 2016 #142

How tragic. romanic Jan 2016 #98

Tou're right. IAnd it should not happen again. rug Jan 2016 #106

Alternate ending. grntuscarora Jan 2016 #104

Clara... Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #114

Or a victim of an irresponsible father. 840high Jan 2016 #145

Maybe not though? Lancero Jan 2016 #146

To early to tell just what happened really... Lancero Jan 2016 #150

You're right. It all remains to be seen. rug Jan 2016 #152

He used the gun TeddyR Jan 2016 #166

Uhm, he used that gun because a gun was pointed at him... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #182

Uhm, you don't know that. rug Jan 2016 #183

Evictions happen, the people who serve the court orders are armed... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #186

The girl's family has spoken up justamama83 Jan 2016 #189

A set up like Vonderrit Meyers I bet. ncjustice80 Jan 2016 #188

I always wondered about this HassleCat Jan 2016 #154

That worked very well for Frick and Carnegie. rug Jan 2016 #160

The police enforce court orders- such as eviction notices Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #173

Because not paying your rent is theft. Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #175

I have served many evections with the Sherriffs Dept. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #179

I can believe this PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #190

And yet, no evictions from the Oregon National Park? PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #192

Thanks Jeebus the tenant had his gawd-given firearm to purtect his family. valerief Jan 2016 #201

Gopd has nothing to do with this. It's about poverty and property. rug Jan 2016 #202