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Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:21 PM Jan 2016

Cologne attacks: “This is sexual terrorism directed towards women” [View all]

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As the extreme right exploits mass assaults in Germany to mobilize against refugees, European feminists are in a battle over where their sympathies should lie
EMMA-KATE SYMONS01.19.16

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2016/01/19/cologne-attacks-this-is-sexual-terrorism-directed-towards-women/


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Now, after all the victim blaming and despite what Spiegel magazine declared “the end of political correctness” in Germany, a pall of selective silence and victim shaming has persisted.

Except this time, it includes feminists who have found their voices and, their detractors say, are working against the interests of the women they are supposed to represent. Any discussion of the collective sexual assaults as ethnically, racially and ideologically motivated is off limits. “I am sad but not surprised,” Alice Schwarzer, the leading second-wave German feminist, and editor of Emma.de magazine told Women in the World.

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Instead of frank and open discussion, an Omerta has been imposed. Its leading backers are mostly younger European women’s activists, cultural relativists and anti-racists, who are accused of being more concerned about not offending migrant communities and Muslim men than standing up for the women subjected to the marauding gropers, and group rapists who attacked so-called “easy,” “white” German “whores” (among the obscenities hurled at the victims as they battled their way through walls of grasping, pulling hands, crawling over their breasts and between their legs).

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Laurie Penny raised the ire of some feminist critics when, in a New Statesman column titled “After Cologne we can’t let the bigots steal feminism,” she ridiculed the reaction to Cologne as mostly “excited” right-wing outrage that was just a “good excuse to bash Muslims and migrants”. “It’s easier to pin misogyny on cultural outsiders than it is to accept that men everywhere must do better,” Penny said in an argument that prompted Canadian political commentator Tasha Kheiriddin to assert that “cultural relativism harms women”.

Some have gone so far as to draw a direct parallel between the vulnerabilities of German women and Muslim men. “If I, with my black hair, were to ride the bus after eight o’clock in the evening in rural Saxony, I’m guessing it’s highly likely I would be accosted or verbally abused,” said Aiman Mazyek, head of the Central Council for Muslims in Germany, in a redirection of the post-Cologne debate onto Muslim men as victims. “But I would never allow myself to make assumptions about the whole of Central Europe on that basis.”



Long, excellent article. Overview, with links, of most of the feminist commentary about the New Year's Eve mass sexual attacks in Germany. I've read most of the links, and there is an awful lot of mealy-mouth contortioning going on to pretend that the NYE assaults were just another OktoberFest. Far too much disgusting minimization of the mass sex assaults that are UNPRECEDENTED in Germany, according to the police.

Self-identified German feminist groups are actually advocating silencing the victims:

German feminist groups like #ausnhamslos [no excuses] issuing “warnings” against open discussion because “it is harmful for all of us if feminism is exploited by extremists to incite against certain ethnicities.”








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Yes, yes it is. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #1
So now women and LGBT people go hifiguy Jan 2016 #2
"lie back and think of multiculturalism" Dems to Win Jan 2016 #3
As a feminist EllieBC Jan 2016 #12
I've long said "I'm a feminist, not a multiculturalist." Dems to Win Jan 2016 #13
No culture should be free from criticism EllieBC Jan 2016 #14
Not all cultures are compatible. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #32
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #38
"The onus to change and adapt is on them, the newcomers." nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #44
Well said n/t TorchTheWitch Jan 2016 #58
Same here leftynyc Jan 2016 #15
+1000 katsy Jan 2016 #33
Outstanding article (nt) EL34x4 Jan 2016 #50
Several men reported being sexually harassed in Cologne also. I don't have a link. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #28
Yes it is... NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #4
I'm not sure what is more tiring. Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #5
Laurie Penny is a great feminist standing up to Islamophobia mwrguy Jan 2016 #6
Laurie Penny is referenced in the OP, and not in a good way NT Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #7
"After Cologne, we can't let the bigots steal feminism" mwrguy Jan 2016 #8
And some feminists have thrown women under the bus Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #11
WTF are you talking about? leftynyc Jan 2016 #16
I've seen more avoidance and deflection on this issue than anything else. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #20
You have evidence that all feminists discussing the issue are treating as such? LanternWaste Jan 2016 #22
Fair enough - I'll change "most" to "some". SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #24
I'm not finding that leftynyc Jan 2016 #39
Let me be the first to say bye bye to you... CTyankee Jan 2016 #26
"Cultural Relativism Harms Women" Dems to Win Jan 2016 #17
She should of finished with..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #30
She should move to Saudi Arabia to be with her people. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #10
Fallacy of Relative Privation. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #19
You do realize we aren't having a college debate, right? SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #21
Hence, I read "if I want to use irrational though, that is my prerogative..." LanternWaste Jan 2016 #23
Thanks Commander Data. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #29
And if I want to call your rhetoric "stupid", that's MY prerogative. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #25
Oh no, and your opinion was so valuable to me. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #27
Fret not, friend. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #31
She gets it only half right. katsy Jan 2016 #36
In that one tweet, at least, she's not entirely wrong. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #45
Those young women aren't feminists leftynyc Jan 2016 #18
I disagree with that. They are very well intentioned, good hearted people Dems to Win Jan 2016 #35
So your contention is leftynyc Jan 2016 #37
Can't face up to incompatibility of feminism and multiculturalism Dems to Win Jan 2016 #40
Shaking my head leftynyc Jan 2016 #41
exactly. social media can be good but also allows idiots like this to get JI7 Jan 2016 #42
I can't believe ANYONE leftynyc Jan 2016 #43
Cultural relativism is running amok in some progressive circles davidn3600 Jan 2016 #34
I agree that sometimes people need to forget about toeing the line, and simply speak the truth. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #47
So then we reach a point where the only people seen to be outraged about mass sexual assault Dems to Win Jan 2016 #53
I agree, which is why left-leaning people need to present their own voices and solutions. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #57
That's why it's important for the Left to not ignore that there's a problem Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #55
Agreed. People need to stop being so scared of what others think, and actually get shit done. n/t nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #56
And far too much of the left is doing just that. hifiguy Jan 2016 #59
It's nice they're trying to protect what they think is REALLY important. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #46
You never know, right? The myopia of some folks never ceases to amaze me. n/t nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #48
I think everyone needs to be honest, and honesty requires acknowledging that there is a pretty Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #49
I think some may be more aware of this than you assume. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #51
I'm sure they're aware of it. That makes it even worse, because it's disingenuous. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #52
I think their goal genuinely is (at least in their minds) to reduce violence against women. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #54
Agreed. n/t prayin4rain Jan 2016 #60
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