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Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
32. Not all cultures are compatible.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jan 2016

No amount of starry-eyed wishful thinking will change that. It doesn't matter one bit if the majority of immigrants from an incompatible culture are able to sublimate that culture's incompatible influences and elements as long as a reasonably significant minority are unwilling to do so. Especially not when that minority is attacking people.

Any culture that is at fundamental, core-value odds with modern progressive Western culture in terms of things like the status of women, LGBT rights, and so forth is simply incompatible. That's not to say immigrants from that culture are incompatible...but the onus to change and adapt is on them, the newcomers. That is to say, if they're not willing to reject, at least in practice if not in thought, those incompatible elements, then conflict with the culture of their new home will be inevitable.

Also, anyone who conflates objections to demonstrably harmful and incompatible effects of a culture with actual racism, please clear off back to the kiddie table. That has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

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Yes, yes it is. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #1
So now women and LGBT people go hifiguy Jan 2016 #2
"lie back and think of multiculturalism" Dems to Win Jan 2016 #3
As a feminist EllieBC Jan 2016 #12
I've long said "I'm a feminist, not a multiculturalist." Dems to Win Jan 2016 #13
No culture should be free from criticism EllieBC Jan 2016 #14
Not all cultures are compatible. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #32
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #38
"The onus to change and adapt is on them, the newcomers." nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #44
Well said n/t TorchTheWitch Jan 2016 #58
Same here leftynyc Jan 2016 #15
+1000 katsy Jan 2016 #33
Outstanding article (nt) EL34x4 Jan 2016 #50
Several men reported being sexually harassed in Cologne also. I don't have a link. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #28
Yes it is... NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #4
I'm not sure what is more tiring. Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #5
Laurie Penny is a great feminist standing up to Islamophobia mwrguy Jan 2016 #6
Laurie Penny is referenced in the OP, and not in a good way NT Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #7
"After Cologne, we can't let the bigots steal feminism" mwrguy Jan 2016 #8
And some feminists have thrown women under the bus Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #11
WTF are you talking about? leftynyc Jan 2016 #16
I've seen more avoidance and deflection on this issue than anything else. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #20
You have evidence that all feminists discussing the issue are treating as such? LanternWaste Jan 2016 #22
Fair enough - I'll change "most" to "some". SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #24
I'm not finding that leftynyc Jan 2016 #39
Let me be the first to say bye bye to you... CTyankee Jan 2016 #26
"Cultural Relativism Harms Women" Dems to Win Jan 2016 #17
She should of finished with..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #30
She should move to Saudi Arabia to be with her people. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #10
Fallacy of Relative Privation. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #19
You do realize we aren't having a college debate, right? SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #21
Hence, I read "if I want to use irrational though, that is my prerogative..." LanternWaste Jan 2016 #23
Thanks Commander Data. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #29
And if I want to call your rhetoric "stupid", that's MY prerogative. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #25
Oh no, and your opinion was so valuable to me. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #27
Fret not, friend. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #31
She gets it only half right. katsy Jan 2016 #36
In that one tweet, at least, she's not entirely wrong. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #45
Those young women aren't feminists leftynyc Jan 2016 #18
I disagree with that. They are very well intentioned, good hearted people Dems to Win Jan 2016 #35
So your contention is leftynyc Jan 2016 #37
Can't face up to incompatibility of feminism and multiculturalism Dems to Win Jan 2016 #40
Shaking my head leftynyc Jan 2016 #41
exactly. social media can be good but also allows idiots like this to get JI7 Jan 2016 #42
I can't believe ANYONE leftynyc Jan 2016 #43
Cultural relativism is running amok in some progressive circles davidn3600 Jan 2016 #34
I agree that sometimes people need to forget about toeing the line, and simply speak the truth. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #47
So then we reach a point where the only people seen to be outraged about mass sexual assault Dems to Win Jan 2016 #53
I agree, which is why left-leaning people need to present their own voices and solutions. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #57
That's why it's important for the Left to not ignore that there's a problem Ex Lurker Jan 2016 #55
Agreed. People need to stop being so scared of what others think, and actually get shit done. n/t nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #56
And far too much of the left is doing just that. hifiguy Jan 2016 #59
It's nice they're trying to protect what they think is REALLY important. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #46
You never know, right? The myopia of some folks never ceases to amaze me. n/t nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #48
I think everyone needs to be honest, and honesty requires acknowledging that there is a pretty Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #49
I think some may be more aware of this than you assume. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #51
I'm sure they're aware of it. That makes it even worse, because it's disingenuous. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #52
I think their goal genuinely is (at least in their minds) to reduce violence against women. nomorenomore08 Jan 2016 #54
Agreed. n/t prayin4rain Jan 2016 #60
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